Hamilton v Rosberg Thread

yawn

 

I was ready to defend you but then I read this and realized you don't need it. You have a way of making Aircon and crew look very silly indeed.

Best Regards
Its Hammer Time!

 

Good find with the quotes there! Funny how they try and play down his success. Gracious as always.

Point about Ham having an advantage because he started f1 in a good team; he had to work hard to get that seat by dominating all the feeder series. In the old days the drivers could, comparatively speaking, walk into f1 (exaggerating but compared to today it was very different). Thus had ham had the opportunity to skip all the feeder series and jump into f1 at say 17 (not a ludicrous proposition given vertappen) and amass some points in an average team and then move up to mclaren his career statistics would be even more impressive. Therefore far too simplistic to say he had an advantage starting in a good team. I would argue the opposite - having to work so hard to get into f1 when he could've started earlier means his stats look less impressive than those who walked into f1 without having to really prove themselves first (someone will probably jump on this but I'm using all terms lightly so no need to nitpick)

Point about batting average; as discussed earlier, in the years that Stewart scored most of his wins he was in a good car AND had a team mate who was either unable/would not challenge him for wins.

Stewart didn't mention how for most of hams career he's had a wdc for team mate/ very competent driver. So of course that will effect the batting average. Not everyone gets partnered with a Maldonado-Esque figure to make them look better than they are

And Mansell has competed in more races than Hamilton already. Mac was a pile of sht for half the time ham was in it. And ham has another decade or so of his career left.


Those old chaps aren't very gracious are they

 

Thanks mate.


Not to worry aircon makes himself look silly

 

Just ask Sterling Moss.

This whole thread is an embarrassment.

 

Yes...but I'm trying to look silly on purpose. You, on the other hand, are trying to be serious but are treated as a joke. You try to look clever, but you can't. Fail!

So, I'm achieving what I set out to do intentionally, but you don't even realise what a joke you've become to anyone but the most diehard, one eyed lewis fans.

And.....both matters are hilarious.

 

You probably picture me being mad at my end of the keyboard (phone). But I'm actually laughing and enjoying myself most of the time (aside from a few moments during the race if something bs happens). Just the way I write makes it seem like I'm serious. Though I am serious in the sense that I believe what I say (aside from a few inflammatory comments I throw in for good measure - see my Maldonado one above)


I've made a new mathematical formula:

In order to ascertain silliness of thread: airconposts/number of pages = if >1 then thread has been intellectually devalued. If <1 then there is still some hope. Works errytime

 

I find it all rather entertaining, there again it takes 2 to tango

 

Yes it is ....Oh hello D, fancy meeting you here

 

The only winner on here is you, this thread seemingly has done rather well

 

That he did. General point is that the more dominant your car the more important your team mate becomes. If he's sht then you've been gifted an entire season of wins (in case of a really dominant car). If he's good then he will take half or more off you.


Meaning Stewart shouldn't keep trumpeting on about his average when in all his championship years his team mates didn't win a single race (iirc from last time I viewed the stats but don't quote me on it). A veritable gift!

 

Ever get the feeling you're going round in circles, I know I do

 

But you've got an excuse....

Cheers,
Ian

 

Aha yes Ian ...yer know it

To be stupid, selfish, and have good health are three requirements for happiness, though if stupidity is lacking, all is lost.

 

So you're taking all the credit for Toils supposedly apparent lunacy ermm.

Personally I believed everyone was entitled to an opinion on here, of course that being said, as long they were not personally offending said persons, maybe I'm wrong.

 

I have a knack for finding embarrassing situations.

 

I think it is rather funny that you start to play down the success of Jackie Stewart to get your point...Obviously you are talking about a time you never really looked into by now.

As you said, things were very different back then...Whereas young drivers like Hamilton or Verstappen are prepared from early years to get into racing by managers and personal sponsors or a mentor the "profession" race driver was barely existing back then. When you listen to most of the old drivers they were not just not supported by their parents, some even had to keep a secret on their racing activities. Don´t forget that the lifespan of a driver was far shorter than today so there were not many parents happy to see their sons racing. Some had talent and got a car to drive from someone but many bought used touring cars or sports cars from borrowed money to make their experience and show their abilities. Wheras Hamilton (and others of this generation) never had to worry about something different than racing this was just a part of the life of the "becomming racers" back then, many even had to earn money aside to get their living. So I would not call this "walking into F1", they had to show talent in minor series as well (and they drove everything from single seaters, touring cars to sports cars) to get a seat in the top teams as well.

Furthermore they were racing against dead and unreliability in every single race. You complain when Hamiltons car does not finish but have you ever looked in the old racing results when normally barely more than half of the cars made it to the finish line, when some of them literally fell apart as they were mounted in barns rather than modern factories with quality management?

They come from a different era and they made more and worse experiences in their racing careers. You say they should not play down the success of Hamilton, I (and obviously not few others here as well) say you should not take away credit from them (without having a clue about racing back then) just to make your idol look better...

 

I'll take it I'll have my own bathroom/en suite when am over at your royal residence then..