Why do you think that? Because it's Hamilton? or because racing drivers in general shouldn't have manager?
Moss has the reputation to be very wise with money (an euphemism for being tight!), but then, he is Jewish! . I presume that after having driven for several teams for not much money (HWM, Connaught), and then lost his retainer when Mercedes withdrew from racing, the lure of some financial security by signing a 10-year contract with BP attracted him. But then, that shaped the rest of his career. He was only temporarily relieved of this contract from time to time, but from then on only drove mostly for private teams.
Ok, you still did not answer my question But the above is not logical as the absolute amount of wins and poles is affected in exactly the same way by the car and the team mate as the win percentage!!! The only difference is that the absolute amount of wins is very much favoured by the higher amount of GPs per season today compared to the past so with contantly 20 races per season soon none of the drivers from the past will be in any of your statistics apart from winning a few WDC... They had counted just a few "best races" for the WDC back then because of that but as it is impossible to differ the reason of a DNF (there is not just driving error or an obvious blown engine but a lot in between) this also affected mistakes from the driver. Or taken this system to todays F1 this would mean Hamilton is leading comfortable this year championship but at the same time he would have lost most likely the one in 2007. I doubt that you would call that fair but it is impossible to do it different, if you would just not count DNF due to the mechanic I think it would be easy to achive this on purpose if the race does not go according to plans. Keep in mind that they always cheated in F1 if they had the opportunity. Again, no one said that! It was just different back then, neither better nor worse...But it affects very much the amount of race victories and it made it more difficult to win 50 out of 100 races compared to today which you doubted. When taking again the example of Clark in 1964, with 30% race wins he did absolutely the best possible with a unreliable car, he won every single race he finished, but still these are just 3 wins for your statistic compared to 4 of Rosberg in 2014... Sorry, but I can not share this conspiracy theory at all although it might suit your arguments very well. I doubt that they took away the WDC from Hamilton on purpose because I doubt this would be kept secret to the very day...And if Hamilton would have any evidence in that I am sure he tell would anyone who wants to hear that at least twice a day....Other scources mention that it was Hamilton who had mistakingly pushed the button for the launch control (for the start) setting the car into neutral, so who knows? But to stay in this time: in 2007 Hamilton won by a single point in the last race. Certainly the WDC was not undeserved (so don´t misjudge my post again) but it was still lucky. Just imagine Glock would have been a little bit further keeping his fourth place so Hamilton would have lost the WDC by being overtaken by Vettel in his Toro Rosse in the second to last lap. In this case Massa would be WDC and although you would say undeserved it would leave Hamilton without a single WDC. So the one with Mercedes (still assumed he gets it) would be his very first, would we still talk about him whether he is one of the all time greats? You see it is very close between the two possibilities, a little bit to close for my taste to rate him in the top ten of all times... Sorry but I do not give very much on what Alonso says under these circumstances. Certainly he rates Hamilton higher as it makes his own season at McLaren looking better so this judgement is also a little bit selfish. The same goes with Massa when he rates Alonso above Schumacher exactly at the moment when he is dealing for a new contract in an other team (Williams back then) as it certainly makes him look better when he was dominated by the absolute best driver ever graced this planet rather than loosing against a normal human being. I don´t think so as this was "after his retirement". I think this was not the Schumacher we knew from his successful years, I do not think that this gives much credit to Rosberg. I think just a few dreamer thought that he will come back and beat everyone else in the grid. But the Michelin tyres where way better than the Bridgestone being more crucial than ever. What I read out of your post is that as soon as the car is not far superior than every other car it is necessarily a "dog" or "*****". I think the McLaren was at least as good as the Ferrari in these years and it was still Alonso who challenged for the WDC and that is why I would rate him much higher than Hamilton. For the "Nicole Problems", I guess that is completely irrelevant or you have to look into every single year of every single driver whether he had personal problems or not, whether his dog (or team mate back then) died, his girl left or whatever. As you said, that is his own problem and he has to deal with that like everyone else. So we can agree on that and finalize the discussion here as this is also my oppinion. But you have to admit that many of your posts in the past and also here in the comparison with other (famous) drivers did sound very much like that and this is what people are taking offence here. Nobody has a problem with you supporting Hamilton but very much with the very aggressive way to do so, as if you are on a mission.
Early morning, my eyes still have post op fluid in them, it's my excuse... Pete believe me, you really don't know me if you think I have a delicate demeanor..
I think he still is as I doubt that he is doing anything for free today even if he does not need the money anymore as he should be settled. And I think he is a little bit peacocky as he seems to need the attention. Why else should he shoulder several exhausting travels per year to the US (Amelia Island, Pebble Beach....) at his age? But I like him but unfortunately he is really showing some age now, I still hope to see him in a few years to come although getting a good picture of him gets more and more difficult.
ahh when you write a reply and then it makes you log in again and it disappears. Here is the consolidated version: - With regard to your hypothetical Singhof; hard to answer unless I could view the races and analyse them. But given I don't think Nico's victories this year were in the most favourable or deserving of circumstances (Inherited win in Aus, shadow over Monaco, Aus and Germany Lewis starts 9th and around about dead last respectively (maybe it was 21st cant remember) I think I'm going to go with Clark. Would change depending on the scenario. Numbers themselves are not definitive but merely a starting point to launch a discussion. - Hamiltons 08 season; too simplistic to conceptualise it as him getting lucky on last few corners of lst lap of last race. As discussed in other threads, he had a victory stripped from him, team messed up strategy multiple times, reliability issues etc. On the other side, Massa had 2 DNFS that he caused himself by crashing into people. Therefore if we take all the bad luck away Hamilton should've won comfortably. Same with 2007. BAD LUCK BAD LUCK. 2014 has been full of it too but fingers crossed he comes out on top. - General proposition still stands re alonsos comments about vettel. SUre its in his interests to rate Hamilton higher but point is if vettel were truly great he could have got that RB some nice placings this year rather than a few miserable podiums. Thats why his stock went down in my view. With regard to Ham v Alonso; hard to tell if the MAc was as good as the ferrari. Both JB and HAm very consistent and hard to ascertain just how much Massa and Kimi suck. Of course Alonso is very good but in equal machinery I think it would be very even vs ham. Note felipe nasr beat massa in free practice this weekend in the Williams - is that his first drive in an f1 car lol? who knows... Im not always aggressive you know. I started out simply by saying that Ham is now the statistically most successful British driver in history and got jumped on. If you care to weigh in on the debate; what is your personal opinion on that? WHo is the most successful British driver in history.
"soundly beaten" may be a bit hyperbolic but 7 points equates to more than 1 second place finish. General point is that Stewart started his career and was beaten by Hill (who is rated by that autosport poll of top f1 drivers as voted by f1 drivers 21st i think) vs Hamilton who in his first season beats an even more revered WDC in Alonso (who is rated 9th and that was earlier in his career and given his handling of kimi this year will be higher up the list). Surely all this does is support the fact that Hamilton is the best British driver?
If only that were true! You started out saying Hamilton is a demi god and that rosberg is a cheat and scared of him. ON TOP OF THAT, you said that ham is now the statistically etc etc etc. So no, that not where you started at all.
Well I tried but its impossible to dissuade the certainty of youth. Rationality doesn't enter into it.
Moss is an interesting character. Sure he has a big ego. He keeps quite a busy schedule, being solicited here and there, for which he gets paid, of course. He never turns down an interview or a TV appearance, endorses insurance company or Viagra alike in commercials, etc... Remarkable at his age, but I presume that keeping some activity is good to stay alert; I firmly believe that, and I don't wish to retire myself. Over the years, Moss built himself a portfolio of expensive properties in London, all in the vicinity of his own house in Mayfair. Once he confessed owning 44 dwellings for rent, and he still does some of the maintenance himself. I presume that saves him a bundle! Until recently, before he broke his legs falling in his lift shaft, he could be seen roaming around Park Lane on his scooter. He probably cut his career short after his Goodwood accident, because he didn't give enough time to fully recover. I still consider him as one of the best drivers we had in UK, and probably the most eclectic. As it is often said, we will never see his like again ...
i personal i think he is, if not yet he is going to be Did you know that 7 years TODAY Lewis won his first world championship, the youngest at the point I bet you some one will come on and try to argue that fact, thinking that there argument will some how re wright history The guy shook the F1 world when he came into F1 in 2007, especialy being so dam good straight from the get go., However he was disliked by many, and not for the right reasons IMO, the hate has always been strong. And then f@@k me Obama became presedent the year after LH won the WC," the world will end i tell you"!!!
He didn't shake the f1 world. Maybe a few hands. But again I have to reiterate my stance. I DO NOT HATE HAMILTON. I think he is talented and I rooted for him all last year to dethrone red bull. But like last years Vettel fans, this years Hamilton fans are ****ing annoying know it alls.
the reason for your message. As stressed many times toil and Krafty are putting on their boxing gloves fighting a shadow that doesn't exist. The endless debates are not about the inherent (proven many times over many years) skill of Hamilton. The debate is about toil's endless efforts to draw us into a moronous praying circle to his lord, the Ham. People stand up to confront him with his b***** statements... That's all... It is a disease that seems to be based with many Hamilton fans, that confrontation to a statement is seen as hatred towards Ham... THIS is weird. ...
