488 GTB (458 replacement)

I went and test drove the California T today. They did a good job with the engine. The turbos start kicking in around 2000 rpm and it felt really linear, almost like it's supercharged! It's fun to punch it and feel the enormous torque kicking in smoothly with the deeper throttle. But the sound is not as good as a NA engine. All the pops and burbles are gone as well. I think the 458 replacement will be amazing to drive, but the sound will be different. It didn't help that I then drove the FF and the high revving V12 sound was just intoxicating....WOW, it was glorious!

 

Mercedes/AMG are masters in building turbo engines!

 

Tell that to ferraris f1 team lol. Can't build an engine as good as merc

 

The one thing that seems to be true is the "basic" shape of the 458 will be retained. As occurred when replacing the 360 with the 430, "something" was lost. There is only so far you can go with the same model before the "add ons" sabatoge the basic design. Clearly, there are those who believe the 458 Speciale, understanding its purpose and the need for aerodynamic and cooling changes, is not as aesthetically pleasing as the 458 Italia (me being one of them). So, if we add it up, we may find a Turbocharged "bastardized" 458. I remain hopefull someone will figure out a way for it to make a melodic tune emanate from the rear of the car. As it is , I fall aseleep watching Forumula 1 these days. Best

 

Mercedes AMG is very famous in producing a fake sound. Try this on AMG car : shut all the windows, the car sounds good. Roll down all the windows, the sound disappears. I think it comes out from the stereo (BMW actually does this, from the stereo). LOL

 

Some manufacturers with models where the engine is in front of the cabin may also tune the exhaust pipework to create some extra resonance in the cabin.

 

I'll check that theory out next time I drive my SL 63.

 

I have had a C63 and a CLS63. The C63 was normally aspirated and the CLS was a bi-turbo. I had each stock for awhile and then modified each. I can say that the above quote is FLAT OUT WRONG!!! Both cars sounded great in both stock and modified tune. The sound was much more intense and deep on the outside. With the windows up, it still sounded good, but much more civilized due to the amount of soundproofing. With the windows down, they sounded much more aggressive from the inside, but no where near as loud and raucous as they did on the outside. I also ripped out their stereos and put in new high-end units. I can say for sure that AMG did NOT give those two models synthetic motor sounds. But it is well documented that BMW did for their M cars (BMW was very up front about it).

 

Rubbish!

I have a C63 and the noise is pure engine and exhaust.

 

When C63 will be turbo then you will have sound from audio system

 

BS - the CLS63 is turbo. No fake sound. I know from experience.

 

Mercedes does not use any fake sounds like BMW.

 

My DD is also 63AMG Turbo, and it's 100% a fake sound. That's why Mercedes called it symphony in the launching. Symphony comes from the stereo.
Maybe the NA-63AMG has a better sound.

 

Funny, in a Mercedes AMG63 S-class the stereo system does not work with open windows.

 

This thread is funny if not contentious. Is it possible some are cross communicating, i.e. correct regarding their year and model? Best

 

Ok , my dd is a 2013 AMG SL 63 twin turbo w Kleeman chip . There is no fake sound from my stereo. My last car before this was an SL63AMG v-8 normally aspirated one . The sound was better. Now I can honestly say top up or down the 13 sounds great.

 

Funny, it works in my car, even with the doors opened.

 

As far as I can tell, the AMG cars have not been synthetic. In fact, they are often the Harleys of the car world imo -- grossly loud and unappealing -- but far from fake. I'd say the average AMG that races by is way louded than the average 458.

 

Ferrari will not use fake sound but new 458T will not sound as good as NA

 

I hope not as I have ordered the new C63.

BTW what about the Bentley V8 - Sounds like Thunder!! And that is turbo charged.

 

Oh sorry, then I've misunderstood the following statement completely.

 

The 458 makes a MUCH louder noise. It even fails most track admission tests...

 

In my book LaF showed that Ferrari can produce powerful, high-revving, naturally aspirated and eco-friendly engine for their future cars.

LaF was most-important R&D model for Ferrari so they can show where is company headed in future. I am pointing on pioneering their hybrid system on road car, so they can introduce it in mass-production with 458 successor. Along with that system, I was expecting more CF panels, and less aluminium.

Instead, they are taking other road, using California for showing what is coming in future. With Sergio coming, this scenario seems even more realistic, since turbo-way is easiest/cheapest one to increase engine power and efficiency. Is it the right way? We will see by analyzing 458 depreciation when successor model gets delivered to customers.

 

My experience with the sounds of TT engines is that they can and do sound fine at low and mid RPM ranges. The problem is that the sound level does not seem to keep on rising as the engine cranks toward red line. As an example I recently took a 991TT for an extended drive. I thought that the sound quality itself is greatly improved over earlier Porsche 911TTs. But the car did not seem to sound any louder at 6K RPM than at 4K. So you don't get the unearthly scream that you get for example in the 458 as it runs toward 9K. I get the same impression from my little Abarth which has NO MUFFLER at all. It is snarly and vicious sounding in the low and mid ranges but seems to stay at the same sound level as it runs to redline.

 

Because the turbo will always "brake/muffle" the sound as the turbine sits on the exhaust.