Stradale or Scuderia

Clear choice...the CS. While I agree the Scud is hot the CS is super model HOT. I wouldn't care if the super model didn't cook or clean, that would be for the maid (more time for sex with the super model).

 

That chart does not seem accurate. The Scuderia coupé clocks the same time as an Enzo at the bare minimum which is perched at #6 on your chart.

Sorry, I will bet pink slips that a CS will not get a better laptime than a scud w a working motor and 4 tires any day of the week. The CS delusion continues, lol.

Laptimes as according to Ferrari oficial:
CS 1:28
Scud 1:25
Speciale 1:23.5

CS faster than F50?

 

+1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-CDp-3NbnA

 

You should buy a Corvette. I'll bet the Vette beats them all.

 

Love them both. I think the Scuderia is a better car, but heart says the CS everytime. Can't explain it.

Tire tech has evolved a lot in the years...I think if the F50 would get to set a lap time now on brand new modern tires it would be much higher up the list.

 

Unbelievable, this thread is all about which is faster again!!
Guys, the Scud is faster than the CS, of course it is, it would be ridiculous if Ferrari would make a slower car with 5/6 years newer technology

But seriously, there's only 1.50 seconds difference between them at Fiorano (1min26.50 / 1min25 according to most sites)

For most people 'faster' isn't a synonym for 'better'
I'm not a professional driver, i seriously couldn't care less if my previous lap around Francorchamps was a second slower or faster than my next!
The CS simply electrifies every nerv in my body when i take it for a ride... and it looks good too
I would never sell the CS for a Scud, though i wouldn't mind adding a 16M one day, just for the open top driving experience

 

I'd take that bet. Unless you're talking about the new Z06 and its 650 bhp, scud wins at Fiorano.

 

My thoughts exactly!!

 

Yup. That's what I'm talking about. If performance is so important to you.... Why do you have a Ferrari?

 

And what is then? These are hardcore, track-oriented models. What should matter most, than which is faster?

 

Hey, here it is: Fiorano lap records - FastestLaps.com

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/456-550-575-sponsored-bradan/418537-fiorano-lap-times.html

http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/ferrari-lap-times-fiorano-2012-03-02

http://www.mycarheaven.com/2010/11/ferraris-road-cars-the-fiorano-circuit-lap-records/

I found that list I posted to be consistent with several after a quick net search. yet I did not find any that called out your quoted lap time. Please advise & enlighten.

 

Because I can't be seen in a Corvette.

Admittedly, performance isn't everything. The most important thing is driver experience, to me anyway. IMO, performance is, however, a big component of driver experience. If Ferraris were as slow as Priuses, they wouldn't sell many of them.

 

This question and premise don't make sense for me. While these cars are both track oriented the beauty of each is that they're actually street cars. If the focus is on lap times then the discussion should be about 360C vs 430C where there is a clearly faster car (the 430C).

Given that we're now 10 years past CS production and 5 years past Scud production these cars are now beginning to transition into that period where lap times are far less important because, quite frankly, there are all kinds of cars that are much faster - the Z06 being just one example.

I didn't get any sense that the OP was looking to lap times or outright performance as primary drivers of the decision. If that was the case I don't see any reason to debate it as the Scud is clearly the faster car - questionable Fiorano lap times nothwithstanding.

For using these cars for spirited drives on the street, the manner in which I'd guess that 80%+ of miles are covered, there can certainly be a fair debate about which car is the better of the two on the street. I personally enjoy the CS experience more than the Scud.

 

They are also "limited production run Ferrari's". Nobody cares how fast a 250GT is.

And

They're hardly "hard core track-oriented models". Mine has A/C and electric windows. C'mon.

 

Where do you experience this "performance"? Do you make a living racing cars? Do you spend your weekends at the track? If not, I'll bet any pro driver could beat your pants off at the track in a Prius.

Of course I think Ferrari's should be all about performance. But just like you wrote above "I can't be seen in a Corvette"...... You didn't buy your Ferrari for "performance". So why is it such a big deal now? You didn't compare Scud to Corvette so why compare Scud to CS?

 

nice comeback. if you can even call it that. *face palm*

 

crack open wiki or an edition of the official ferrari mag w/ fiorano laptimes.

here's the wiki for the googley-challenged:
Fiorano Circuit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And i trust these sources over yours because they indicate (wherever possible) the tires the tested cars were running. for our discussion here, both cs & scud times were recorded on semi-slicks.

apples to apples.

 

Wikipedia?

Cant anyone edit that? I dont think I have ever used that for data. Sorry.

 

Subscribe to the official Ferrari mag then.

The laptimes on wiki matches the official mag.

fastestlaps whatever.com is also crowd-sourced data...

wonk wonk.

and relying only one source vs comparing across multiple sources provides proper context even when the actual time varies...taking one from one source then comparing it to another is like apples to oranges...

btw, your top gear article mysteriously does NOT have a scud or 16M variant amongst it's list...wonk wonk

and your last link cites "wiki" for laptimes as well...wonk wonk again.

and if not, take my bet and race me around a circuit in ur CS for pinks...wonk wonk.

and just because we're discussing performance, doesn't mean i'm saying anyone should get a Ferrari based solely on performance. some folks including myself were just trying to validate the performance aspect of the cars in question, if folks are looking for that in their next Ferrari.

and most importantly to dispel (for the last frickin time) the delusion that (in equal hands) a CS is faster than a Scuderia on a circuit or in a straight line.

IT'S NOT AND NEVER WILL BE.

So just let it frickin' go already...

 

Anyone who thinks (same driver) that a CS is faster than a scud around anything meaningful is retarded and wrong. I'd say "strawman" but I suspect you noticed one person saying such silliness somewhere along the line. Your bold and definitive statement of the obvious noted, I don't think any serious/actual buyer of these cars thinks otherwise.

 

by that metric, the F40 should cost about the same as the CS and the Enzo as much as the Scud as they have similar performance.
what about 250GTO? that heap of junk can barely out perform a Civic these day. Don't get me started on lack of MP3 player or heated seats. I'll take a GTO for $20,000 please.

 

Please help me find a Wiki link for wonk wonk.

And I invite you to meet me at my home track Autobahn raceway in your Scud to try & teach me a lesson. You can say wonk all you like there too. Many have been invited to do so but I have had no takers.

Why so hateful meaty? I am a Ferrari guy ~ just with less disrespectful tones.

 

Sorry, but wasn't the discussion only about the CS and the Scud? They are almost the same price, right?