I think the issue is the seller INTENDED to entice a buyer and then pop the salvage thing after some interest had been generated. Sort of like kissing a tranny then finding what's in those panties. I'm with HuskerBill. OP has been deceptive, his subsequent behavior proves this for me.
Oh cut me a break. The first question from any serious buyer is, "Is the tittle clear". Next thing people will be saying a seller is deceptive is he doesn't state that there is a lean against the tittle in an add. Isn't that how this entire discussion got starter? Some one call and asked and was told it was salvage. Then the buzzards swept in.
Perhaps you ought to re-read the first few posts. When a member suggested that mentioning the salvage title in the post would save the time and trouble of inquiry from and reply to those who would not be interested, that is when the OP went off and began shouting and name calling. A salvage title is very germane to the value of the car and an instant deal breaker for some, a lien is not. I stand by my assertion. FOR THE RECORD; I am generally against pissing in FS threads. This one was well sideways before I chimed in. OP could have shut the whole conversation down in a heartbeat with an ounce of humility and a candid answer. I've said all I intend to
Initial posts by a seller are critical, especially since title status is a key parameter to the value of a Ferrari, let alone most vehicles. The seller's admission came off as "oh, by the way, it has a salvage title". Thus, the extremely predictable firestorm that followed.
Because you did not get your way ??? you find it fitting to use the word jerk, "jerk" is a reaction with little control or thought during occurance. Having been issued a warning reprimand for using the word snob in one of my posts, I will remain respectful and stop the jerk by passing your letter on to other readers for your recognition as a thoughtful contributor to the forum.. Also you judge the car and it's condition having never seen it also is a "reaction" ie "jerk" of little thought or control being apparent. I stopped/restricted your postings on this thread once before for insulting messages, please use common courtesy or revisit that chamber pot.
You should have talked with my girl friend and told her what I intended to "pop" and sort of what you like kissing is not the issue here I don't wear shorts so no desception can be proven upon your closest inspection. But, you may "assume" I have no desire nor intent to "entice" you. My behavior shall be judged by a much higher authority you may only hope to reach.
For crying out loud ! Let the dude sell his car man . It is what it is. Relax and enjoy the show. Zoowho continue and play thru ! I'm enjoying the mayhem. No need for name calling that's just a cheap shot.
Geez, I have seen more apples and oranges comparisons here than I don't know when. A lien on the title will not effect condition or selling price of the vehicle. It may change the net proceeds to the seller. A salvage title most certainly effects value, and not in a positive way. D
Just in case it escaped attention, the car has a salvage title. I know, after 330 posts it would be clear on this point so I don't understand the continual whipping on the subject. Also the clairvoyants amongst you, you know, the ones whom readily know of my intent, motives and character, should by now, have run out of non profane descriptive assasinations directed my way. Being such mind knowing readers you must know of my feelings just how vital and important your postings are. Possibly you are some of the same who advise wall street stock purchases and by all means should be listened to, not being clairvoyant myself, I shall depend on you and your advice. For those whom find a chuckle or two along the way can understand the dilemma we have in WA DC...knowing it all and still can't get it right of which hand is supposed to be used.
OK I've been watching this thread since the bigginning and I now feel to express myself about it. I now kind of understand BIG RED pissed off attitude about another situation of F-chat. MANY members here are our own ennemy for the Ferrari market. I would like to say that I would possibly have advertised this car if it was mine the same way the owner/OP did. Why? An let me tell you I know a LOT of you negative purist will give me **** and hard time but I won't argue or listen to you, I'm just expressing myself. There are many reasons for someone to OMIT (in the ad) some info like that about a car for GOOD reason to his eyes and not wanting to be dishonnest. How would you feel if your wife had breast cancer and she lost one of them? If she's a good looking women would you tell EVERYBODY she is missing one. If she was a single women and put her profile on a meeting website do you thing she should tell she has only one breast. She don't want the fear that everybody is going to judge her from that single fact. If she meet someone in a serious way then she has to be honnest and tell. If you meet the women and after knowing the fact you are not interested just tell her and shut your FUC**NG mouth, don't tell everybody she's an handycaped. Let the NEXT guy decide for himself if it's OK for him. In my opinion this situation here is the EXACT same thing. If you call and after the TOLD fact you are not in the game anymore just walk away and shut your damned mouth. Let the interested buyers decide. The car HAS HISTORY and ownership that TELLS IT to the CONCERNED persons. Because of this thread this car is now going to be seen as a BAD car when it's probably not. And now EVERYBODY know. Poor next owner will be pointed at his first show. If I ever want to sell one of my Ferrari I will think twice before posting it here even if I know my cars are good only because of you negative guys. And some don't even own one and never will. I'm ready to read the reactions! But I will probably not reply. ZOOWHO2 I strongly suggest you ask ROB to remove this ad/thread and advertise you car anywhere else. Any interested buyers if they read this are going to walk away. Good luck with sale and congrats to the next owner.
I've been flip-flopping on this issue in my head over who's right and wrong and have switched and switched back many times. I think Claude makes an interesting point and being a salvage may be something like a "missing breast" you don't want to reveal that immediately...you may want to show the person that you are a human being, have a nice dinner, see if things click with the person and then ease into it, explain that you were sick/got treated/etc...This may help the person overlook that if they're into you rather than sabotaging things right from the start and turn someone off. I can only assume that was the OP's intent. Get to talking about the car, explain what happened, why it has a salvage title and do his sales pitch properly with a more intimate contact with a potential buyer than a forum post. So I agree with Claude BUT, now that the situation has escalated into this insane thread (albeit extremely entertaining) the OP should explain clearly why he chose not to post it right away and the explanation may make sense. Instead he continues with somewhat cryptic humorous posts that are deflective. To the OP, I feel for you, I've been bullied on this site (even by some of the people high up that you would least expect) so I know what it's like. But after hundreds of posts, a simple honest explanation of what your strategy was would put this to bed. You don't owe it to me or anyone but it could only do you som good at this point.
I heard Obama was going to give amnesty to any car with a title issue that was 5 years or older.. or maybe it was a thread that had more then 17 pages.. i forget..
It has been explained many times why it was listed as it was, and you can see the end result of a salvage title to those who are not buyers to begin with and yet are holders of the horrid reputation of Ferrari owners the public views them as. Heaven forbid should you ever fart upon the leather seat and have to sell it as impure (if you even mentioned it in the first place) Talk about cast the first stone. Many of you forget the thrill and excitement and pride that owning/driving a Ferrari brings to us and allowing others to experience that as well because you fail to get your nose down out of the stratosphere, of course there are those of you who never fart, heaven forbid gentlemen, your garage queens have little to do with being Enzo's Ferrari's........now wipe the seat.
I farted on my seat today in my 430 but aimed my cheek at the passenger. Do I need a salvage title now ?
Not really - you have never, ever explained here why it has a salvage title. You hinted at a stolen and paid out vehicle could have a salvage title, you joked about a golf club incident, but you've never actually stated why this car has a salvage title. Obviously you're deliberately avoiding making that explanation and now just toying with everyone here, but I do think you're being deliberately disingenuous about the salvage title. Regarding up-front disclosures versus only telling a potential buyer - it's not permitted to import a salvage title vehicle for registered road use in Canada. Disclosing salvage title up front would avoid wasting the time of a potential buyer from Canada - and many Canadian Ferrari owners purchased and imported their cars from the US.
I was not joking when I explained the salvage title was the result of a golf club. Of course I can change that to anything that will make you feel better about yourself but then I would be accused of toying with the others on this post. Assume what you will as a few others have done, erroneously I might add. I have had no contact with you as being a buyer, which makes it to be very little of your business to begin with. Sorry if you feel your being toyed with but I suppose thats par for the course .. ahe (sp) I am sure Canada is thankful for your concern.
Readers and posters. I have said many times over what I am going to say and what I am not. I try and keep all this as light as possible and enjoy the entertainment value along with you. I have no reason to cheat, lie, defraud or be disrespectful to anyone who takes the time to post. I do get a bit angered by some of the rude, mean, demeaning accusiations thrown at me and would love to respond in harsher kind than I have but it would make no difference as those who assume and attack. They do so for self elevation and contribute only spite. The above letter addresses issues posted many times over. I would forward to you, interested buyers have contacted me privately and been given proper reply...AND by now, anyone not knowing it has a salvage title should not be shopping for anything except glasses....and be careful with golf clubs, keep it nice, laugh a little and please, roll the window down............
CIGARSMAN.......please specify your selection for a salvage title, ie,......your 430, the passenger, your cheek or the seat. I don't believe the cheek can be diverted to that angle while seated in a 430......butt, who knows, right? I don't know that they issue a tainted title...now that you've spilled the beans so to speak. To much info, as word is now out.
