Remember most people can only dream of owning a ferrari. The car being fast is kinda already implied to most people..And that being said.. the CS is fast enough... "Performance" is on the lower side of importance IMO bc there's always something/someone faster.. All of us should be happy you have a ferrari at all. Be grateful : )
you should go into the 246, 328, 348, 355, mondial, and vintage Ferrari section and post this. they all are pretty slow compared to a Scud. Some vintage Ferraris are down right snails. I think a stock FWD econobox Civic Si can beat many of these Ferraris.
Ah but now you are blurring driving experience with contemporary-performance. They are two different things that need to be appreciated separately. Comparing two very similar cars from the same relative decade, on the same platform (360/430), is a lot different than comparing Ferrari's across decades. Still, I would actually argue that the older (slower) Ferrari's are the "better" street experience for an actual spirited drive. That is not the case of the Honda Accord which might smoke it in a street race.
If you have a passion for old-timers then of course you are correct. If not old-timers are the ultimate horror to drive. Yes, I had one... And I guess the 360 CS is far away from an old-timer, this car can still (and has to be) compete with the best and newest ones.
If true then tell me how the Ferrari Market favors "performance". List the top 10 most expensive Ferraris and where they lie regarding "performance".
Arguing about which is faster is silly. Of course a Scud is faster than a CS, but "Fast" has long since moved on leaving both cars in the dust and rendering that metric somewhat insignificant. My daily driver is faster than a Scud. Buy what you like and Vive la Difference!
I think the Porsche comparisons are interesting. However I think a better comparison would be gt3 rs vs gt3 rs 4,0. Very similar car but 4.0 ia an evolution. Obviously not a perfect comparison because the gt3 rs 4 is a bit more rare as well as being an evolution however it is an evolution built on the same chassis with tweaks. Also it is the last and most evolved of the manual gt3s. The Scuderia is the most evolved of the mid engined f1 cars and essebtially the same base chassis as the CS. I am not saying there are no reasons to buy the CS over the scud. The difference in looks between the two f-cars is larger. While the scud obviously performs better many like the riugher feel of the stradale. In any case, I think this comparison is more appropriate than a 997 vs 991. To me that is more like 430 vs 458. Different chasis, dcg, etc.
Also - the "top 10 most expensive Ferrari" list is an absolutely pointless argument here... If you are telling me, that the 250 GTO costs $66 milion, because of it's outstanding driving experiense characteristics, this is just not true. The top 10 more expensive Ferraris are costing that kind of money only because they are 1: an investment and 2: a collector's item. This thread is going way too far with meaningless arguments and I still haven't read what exactly is the criteria, that makes the CS a BETTER car than the Scud.
Simple. The CS costs as much in the current market as a Scud, which is a newer "improved" model. The market has therefore determined it's "worth".
Indeed. That rare, historic Ferraris sell for more than a modern Ferrari with greater performance doesn't mean that performance is irrelevant. It's a typical straw man argument where someone argues against a point no one is making (i.e., that performance is the only thing that matters).
Taking this at face value then the answer to 'Stradale or Scuderia' is a no brainer - the better and improved car is also the cheaper car! Being serious for a second, only when the Scuderia has aged a few more years can we start to look at what the market has determined about 'worth'. Both are great to drive and I would take either over a 458 any day!
Don't think so. This has already been discussed. The CS costs the same only because it is more rare car than the Scud, but that doesn't make it a better car in any way.
According to the OP, he plans to keep this car for the long run. If that's the case choose the CS. I think we all can agree it's more of a collector's cars than a SCUD.
Seriously? I've driven both the 360 and 430 - while similar, very different. I'll admit I did not drive them equally to the point where I'd be able to tell you from a drivers perspective that one was "better" per se. At least that's my experience in the two. This kinda threw me though. Why??
There are more CS' sold in the 120-160 range than anything. Unless I've completely failed elementary math 120-160 is still less than the 170-200 range scuds have typically sold for in the last 2 years. There are rare unique extremes that a CS sold for over 160k just as there are rare extreme instances of scuds asking for over 250k. Hell there's one asking 425k as of this post. And if I was delusional enough I could also argue by that measure the "market has determined it's worth". but I'm not. Last CS in my neighborhood sold for 120s. Rosso Scuderia, aftermarket stripe, clean.
The new car is always faster than the old car, and the CS is not slow. If you are shopping these two cars the decision of what car to purchase is personal with many valid reasons. I bought a scud three years ago. At that time the CS was much less than the scud and I looked at both. My reasons that I can remember; 1) I live 8 hours away from a dealer and I did not want to deal with the belt issue. 2) I am 7 hours from a track so lap times where irrelevant. 3) Collectablility and price appreciation was not a consideration, Although now I am more interested in them. 4) Esthetics, I like the look of the scud more, from the exterior to the wild interior I have the all leather interior and it just looks and smells wonderful. I like the led wheel,dash , aluminum floor and all the carbon. I like the look of an engine and the scud shows off its power plant better than any modern V-8. 5) The transmission in the scud is remarkable. 6) I like saying scud So this made sense to me, both great cars and everyone will have their reasons for the choice they make. What a great choice.
Not sure if I replied but Davide, you need to ask yourself what is this car for? I had a CS as a daily driver & did some short holidays doing cross country, B-roads & highways with it as well. Sold it & looking for a Scud or 16M The CS is a very pure car in the sense there's nothing much of electronics, mine didn't even have a radio & I unhooked the exhaust valve for the thundering sound which is bl**dy fun on cold start. It's fast enough to get most drivers into trouble as many have been written off especially in the wet, it's well known to be a tricky car with those Corsa tires but slap on Supersports & it's better. It won't be a nice car for daily due to the suspension & "slow" hard-knocking F1 shifts made worse if you're driving in city with speedlimits so it's just 1-2-3 brake 1-2-3 etc. But on the open roads ^_^ oh yes, there's plenty of crackling noise in the cabin due to fit & hardened glue issues. The Scuderia will be much easier to live with. Here's when I had a yellow CS: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/asia/394644-road-trip-kl-penang-via-b-roads.html I also had a tuned GT3RS.2 & it's a far better car than the CS but if you want a modern street-legal race Ferrari then start with the CS.
True they both are driver's cars!! .. But the limited production numbers of the cs just make it MORE special. We all want what we can't have.. I believe one day people will realize they want a cs..but they simply can't be found.... odds will favor u can find a SCUD before a challenge Stradale .. It's a simple numbers game, hence the cs is MORE of a collectors item regardless how well both drive. I know they are both fantastic. But this thread is about choosing between the two and I choose cs every time.
