Official Countach Value Thread

Just to clarify the point - every Countach deserves a home with TLC, and anything can be made right, so its not a matter of "negatives", rather, its a matter that the condition or current status does not match the price.

 

So, with Bosch injector kit fitted and original Weber Carbs missing, we ask, is this a car that warrants a world-record price?

BTW, did Affolter give you that chassis number of 1121114? I ask because of the image below, and 1121254 is in Switzerland. Either way, was same basic point of asking prices that do not match a car's condition is made.

As regards your Countach QV specially built in a one-off color for Lamborghini SpA's boss, well, given the current mode of price intoxication, perhaps $500k is not enough, shall I add an extra million and ask $1.5 million for it? Or let's simply round that up to $2 million to make it a nice round number, shall we? You see where we are going with this? Anyone who has any idea of how any market works knows what follows steep unwarranted price increases...

Yet still the ultimate question remains: would any of the Countach owners posting here pay $525k for this or any other S2?
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Yes I agree. But some are talking about a car that should be parted out. WTF. Like you said everything can be bring back to perfection or to very good standards. I've done in many times in my life. We all have different standards and capabilities and the buyer should decided if the car suits his need.

 

I know that car since 9 years... I had priorly also the Lambo Rijssen running boards installed and still the injection of Ruf who changed a number of cars to the Bosch setup like the OEM FI cars.

I know also the current owner, he's a countach fan, but said: if it sells for this price I let here go.

#1121254? Don't know that one, any link?
Although I know 80% of the swiss countachs, some are left over to discover.

 

Exactly, and if someone wants to pay $10m for a Countach that's absolutely their prerogative. But they shouldn't expect some of us not to comment on the sanity (or lack thereof) of such a decision.

I think it may be time to publish a Countach Variant Values Guide, not just in this thread, but in a mainstream medium where the automotive-world-at-large has access to it. I think that would help everyone.

 

Thanks for clarifying, 2 very similar cars, noted.

 

Apart from the price, the condition, the non original aspects.

What a f**king gorgeous looking car !

Its a CT and needs a loving home!

I think the prob with Swiss cars, is that for most of us, we would have to pay VAT on the car, as the country is not part of the EU, so this would make it even more expensive.

But, gotta love a CT in white
R

 

i remember a white countach S with a compressor
was for sale around 200.000 euro one month ago...
is it the same car or different??

looks like not few strange S2 in white in the area...the DD LM engine one, the compressor car, this one...

 

So it seems that #1121254 is no longer in Norway then?

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With the exeption of the auctions and a few annis,is there any actual sales happening,any real nmbrs ? Just curious. A few cars have been advertised for quite some time by the same dealers,

 

#1121198

 

Ellagirl has a point. I know Roy has got in a few and released them back into the wild so to speak. The white anni on his website is/was pending and I know he had an 1984 from the R&S auction that he was going to list but I never saw it come onto the market again, might of been sold privately. I think several are changing hands but do so without seeing the light of day which can make obtaining solid values on each configuration very difficult if one is looking to buy/sell. Case in point my car I just got this past summer, I traded a fellow for it, so it never saw the internet or open market as I suspect many others are doing something of the same.

 

I have observed that over the past few months (6-9), the best cars, with the fairest prices for both buyer and seller have happened in total private. These are where the good cars go these days. Auctions have been attracting some suspect cars trying to capitalize on the frenzy. To have a shot at a really good car, you need to look to the inner Lamborghini community and be ready the second a good one comes up. That's assuming you get the call that one is available before the next guy in line does.

Value order from this past years shakedown most likely looks like this:

-Lp400
-Lp400S1(S2??)
-DDQV
-25th Anniversary
-Lp400S S3
-5000S
-All other injected cars.

Also, Raymond your car is around $500k today IMHO. Fully restored DD's have traded for more from what I have been told. It has the history, performance, and looks to justify that. I believe the DD's are certainly worth the hype. I have also come around to Anniversaries as being important cars, albeit with Chrysler influences.

The DD's are special, last of breed super engines. Other Countachs are anemic in performance comparatively. Yes a S1 is lower center of gravity and a bit lighter, so tight turn handling is better, but not by much. They all have short wheelbases and are thus pretty fun at the low speed stuff. The DD is significant and should be included in the top echelon of Countachs. I don't think 300-400 cars is a lot by any means. And remember some are 88.5 cars with Chrysler influences and side skirts. Essentially more so an anny. To find a pure body, DD car from 85-87 is tougher than one may think...... Thats my take on where things stand.

 

Different car. It was 1121198 and had a supercharger, injection, but original motor, triple white (not black wheels), had the aftermarket skirts attached, and needed attention. Was signed by Ferruccio. I had an offer in on that one for a client and we just lost it as the timing didn't work out. Generally good condition and we had big plans for it to make it a top flight car. It would have been the deal of the year, IMO. It was also in Switzerland. FYI, to whomever bought it, pm me if you are on here.

 

in Europe an anni is 200-250 k euro and i refused MUCH more for my S3.

not mean to be derespectful but no way an anniversario is worth more than any 400S in Europe
and same for 5000s carbed: they are worth much more than an anniversary.
Why? because many euro countach buyers do not like much anniversary look
In Italy there are still 3-4 anniversary for sale
1 5000S
1 QV
and NO 400 or 400S

 

Short answer is....yes.

If you'll notice even the cars that were long advertised are suddenly disappearing, such as the red QV and the blue car (with aftermarket wheels) that Affolter had for a long time, suddenly sold recently. Blue car came to the US (Chad Bolles I believe is doing work on it) and the red car IIRC Bryan at Affolter told me is coming here also?

I also know about cars that some of the members here have recently sold privately. That is all I am at liberty to say.

1121198 slipped through my fingers as noted in my last post. I am personally working on a couple more myself.

That's the slightly longer answer.

 

None taken, this is why we should have discussions on this!! The more people chime in with their sentiments and experiences then maybe clarity will prevail.

This is especially true when most publicly traded cars have hair on them and STILL sell strong.

 

two recent sales i know of
LP400S series 2 sold around 370.000 euro, nice car but not 100% original.

other LP400S with wrong engine, accident history, not original interior and hi miles sold for something over 200.00 euro in Europe
to restore it and if you can find a correct engine it will cost probably 150.00 euro in parts and labour and still be a not matching numbers car.

 

I have to agree that globally speaking the anni cars are not worth more then a carb'd S3. I'd even go as far as to say the S3 is above the pre-anniversary FI cars but this I think starts getting into ones personal preference on what his or her quintessential Countach is to them. I'm a bit of a numbers guy, and when the current feeding frenzy subsides for them all I have to factor the production numbers above most market driven factors.

 

Thank guys, there is an 88 fi car at Beverly hills Lamborghini, looks clean on the pictures ,low miles, and good history( acc to the ad) they have had the car for a while, most of you have i am shure seen it advertised, one would think it would sell somewhat easy.
Cars are being shipped from europe to the states for the same money,+ all the hassle involved. Just curious.

 

Setting specific values in a market that has adjusted so radically seems like a difficult task. Over the last few years many have talked about and praised the C/T to improve its reputation and help raise its values. I agree with car getting it over due respect. Some of the same people seem to be trying to talk the values down now. True values will be a difficult task to record with many factors.
There can be many ulterior motives unkown to others when a value is being put on a variant. God forbid an Anni should out sell a previous variant there might be haters jumping from roof tops. Each owners personal likes and dislikes play a factor. For an example, as posted in many C/T threads here, some will repeatedly attempt to discredit the Anni so to keep it from out valuing other variants.
If a book similar to the (U.S.) nada guide were developed it would require constant updating, and again IMHO, it would just be another argument for kind discussion for everyone to disagree with its content.
This climb in value is yet another interesting fact to the C/T's history book.
Besides disagreement is what makes forums the success that they are. If we all had the same thought there wouldn't be much to read about.

 

Sorry for the confusion Eric, yes it is, I mixed up the 2 chassis numbers, although both cars have a similar situation mechanically and both are the exact same colors.

Best,

 

Well said.

 

Peter I think the main concern is the out-of-control ask prices of the last year. Yes, many of us championed the cause of the Countach (in my case starting 25 years ago!) and it is only proper that the same people should be saying: "ok, 300% in just over a year will spoil the values market". No different from a financial planner valuing an equity position - which is my background, by the way.

It will not be difficult to come up with a values table with both private & public sales data plus other comparables - like publishing a book, all it takes is work! The reason I think the proper venue for something like this is the mainstream media or a website is because forums are where people chime in and simply disagree and put out misinformation based on ulterior motives. Also, remember, people will consider the source. Is the publisher credible? Does he have experience? Is he truly involved in the marketplace as a professional? Then, they will draw their own conclusions.

Meanwhile, Happy Thanksgiving!

 

OK Joe, we know your position in the market. Saying this as a friend, please consider the substance of a repetitive nature of your last few posts.

I do agree completely about the ulterior motive piece.

FYI, if anyone cares to recall, I cautioned to throw a bucket of cold water on these increases for a year now. There's my horn toot.