The date of manufacturer on the build plate is April 1977, American, carb'd. I took this tool kit out of storage to take a look at what I have. For the most part it is original, including the pouch. There are the usual 4 screwdrivers (2 large and 2 small), the open end wrenches, the plyers. What I am not sure about is if the adjustable is original. I am missing the carb and spark plug tool. Next spring I better brush the surface rust off and polish everything up. Image Unavailable, Please Login
IMHO Ferrari stenciled amber screwdrivers suggest slightly later replacement kit. Replacement kits did not all have black screwdrivers.
My first GT4 had a sunroof, and I seem to recall a place to insert a manual crank in case the motor wasn't working. Perhaps the red-handle tool on stonker's set (and on eBay) could have been the emergency sunroof crank?
Tav 44 of the 1983 QV US Spare Parts Catalogue shows it as Item #2 "Socket Spanner" (part number 100520). Searching 100520 on the Ricambi website incorrectly brings up an old spark plug socket. Humm. I have both 100520 and a conventional window crank. They both DO have the same geometry on the working end; kinda a flattened end with squished out tabs (sorry for being so technical) as shown in MarcH's photo. One side of the tee-handle looks like a flat blade screw driver. If it were also for mixture adjustment, the flat blade would be to remove the access cap and the long thing would be for the mixture screw itself. This is really pushing the hypothesis; I doubt the mixture screw has anything but a conventional slotted or Allen head. The weird thing is if 100520 is not used for anything else, Ferrari would have provided two different types of window cranks with the car. The windows aren't THAT bad.
Power roof on a GT/4? The roll that came with my 77. I'd like to get the last red screwdriver. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Jim, To the best of my knowledge (??) replacement kits were "generic", that is, could be used for different models of cars, and to achieve that purpose, didn't have the 14mm combination wrench, nor a spark plug tool either. In place of the 14mm combination wrench was a 14/15 mm wrench, and the tool roll did not have the additional pocket for the spark plug tool: so in fact, as for the tools included, the replacement tool kits were identical to a Testarossa tool roll. As for the tool kit above discussed here: deep red-brown handles marked "Ferrari" on the four Screwdrivers + 14mm combination wrench + spark plug tool for 12mm plugs (= 18 mm inside) = does indeed equates at 99% to a 328 tool roll to me: my two '89 328s have exactly that tool roll (except of course for the strange red handle tool in the one we are discussing) same tool roll for "JohnnyTS" above. Rgds And one day I'd like to understand better the wrench succession between Everest / Polytools / Kravm and why some cars I know have tool rolls with "UTEMA" wrenches without any apparent logic!
Sorry, I sold 10356 back in '87 and have killed a few brain cells in the ensuing years. My current GT4 doesn't have a sunroof, so the suggestion was just a SWAG.
I'm sad in a way that my tool kit was missing from my 82 308. only because others put so much into having it, it would be nice to include it with my car when I do sell it. I can say however the prices on these things are way to high for what you get. I just don't see all these tools solving road side issues, they most will not get you home they may but most problems are more than simple fixes. My personal break downs on the road (none have been one of my Fcars) have been one engine, two water pumps, radiator hose, transmission 3 times and one alternator. None that would have been fixed by one of those tool kits. I still needed parts for all of them. So why is it so important to have a set of factory tools? Cool factor? pride that you have one? Does it affect price that much? with so many different tool kits over the run has anyone actually made a list with photos of what you should have for your particular car? be a early carb, 2v injected, QV or 328? I know plenty of people are missing the tool kit, and I'm sure it wasn't the deciding factor in a purchase. just my observations and feelings on this YMMV.
I think it is just cool factor/pride. The only time you "need" one is if you put your car in for concours judging. I have the full set of stuff (tools, jacks, books etc) and frankly, the first thing I did, and was advised to do, was put all of it into a nice plastic bin and buy cheapie replacements to carry in the car. The sissor jack I carry is from a Nissan and cost me $5 at a salvage yard. I have better tools at home and I'm not going to fix much on the road anyway.
...and that tool roll is not a 328 tool roll, but one from a Testarossa: easy to identify because missing the spark plug tool pocket at the right of the pliers, and the spark plug tool also, the one which is specific of the 328 tool roll being the 12mm spark plug socket. If my memory serves me well, the yellow/black GTS 82904 on Sheehan's site has the correct 328 tool roll. Rgds
Sorry: 81904, not 82904. here enclosed the link to the pic of 81904 tool roll on Michael Sheehan's site. This is the one AND ONLY correct tool roll for a 328; All first-hand 328s I have seen have this tool rool. 1989 Ferrari 328 GTS Serial Number 81904 - Tool kit ? open Rgds
I guess this is simply because these cars are no longer "old Ferraris" but becoming "classic Ferraris" and a classic car is always more appreciated with all its original bts and parts. I don't know if it would affect the selling price very much, but showing a complete car with all books, tools, etc...is always a plus for any potential buyer coming to see the car. I do agree that the price of some of the tools may seem crazy, but look at the price of some tools for some other older Ferraris, such as a "Dino" jack for instance... As for composition of tool rolls, the easiest one is the one for the 328: there is only one that is "right", see the link in the post above to the one from 81904 on Michael Sheehan's site. That does not mean of course that from time to time a car might not have been delivered with something else, but for someone missing the tool roll in his 328, the standard one to purchase is the one illustrated here (with the 12mm spark plug tool), which will be considered as "100% correct" each time. Any 328 tool roll missing the characteristic 12mm spark plug tool - and the associated 14mm combination wrench - will be considered "suspect". It is much more complicated for 308, especially "i"s and QVs, for which it seems that, at some given period of time, different providers were used by Ferrari for at least some of the tools. As for examples: - a friend of mind just went to check an original, first owner, late 308 QV, and the OEM tool roll had "UTEMA" wrenches, not "KRAVM" as most of the others... - there does not seem to be a precise limit in time between tool rolls with screwdrivers with plain translucent red-brown handles, that are not marked Ferrari; and those with handles marked "Ferrari"; it seems that the non-marked one belong "rather to earlier tool rolls" ( = "i"s and early QVs) and the marked one "rather to later tool rolls" (later QVs) but some later QVs do also have original, OEM tool rolls, with screwdrivers with non-marked handles... All together, a fascinating topic, isn't it? Rgds
Much, much easier for the 328s than for the 308s: the one in that link is "the" standard one. Whereas for "injected" 308s, between those with screwdrivers handles marked; those with screwdrivers handles non marked; either Polytools, Utema, or Kravm wrenches... Rgds
I'll defer to you on this. My knowledge derives solely from the multiple tool kits (new and used) I have purchased and sold.
Jim, Would You, by any chance, be able to shed any light on the Everest / Polytools / Kravm / Utema wrenches in the "i" and QV tool rolls? Which one should be found into which tool roll? Or isn't in fact no logic at all to This? Rgds
Ah, pity What I THINK could be a guideline, this for the time being, so not what I know So I am NOT SURE and if anyone knows better, please do chime in! - Everest (Made in India) wrenches belong to the carbed cars tool rolls (& perhaps some of the first 2-valve injected cars?) - Polytools wrenches mainly for the tool rolls of the 2-valve injected cars (& perhaps some of the late carbed cars & some of the first QVs?) - Kravm wrenches mainly for the bulk of the QV tool rolls. - UTEMA wrenches: I dont see any logic: some OEM tool rolls have these, but at random it seems? As for the screwdrivers: - deep red-brown translucent handles without the Ferrari script from the "i"s tool rolls until about the middle of the QV production; - deep red-brown handles with the Ferrari script beginning somewhere during the QV production and progressively replacing the ones without script. (as already said, all OEM 328 tool rolls are identical, and notably have the screwdrivers WITH the Ferrari script; all 328 tool rolls have Kravm wrenches) Rgds
The wrenches in my tool kit have "Ferrari" one side and "chrom vanadium" on the other. Are those wrenches from Kravm?
