Tom , your a good sport ! I'm sure when I want to sell my car it will be tainted therefore I'm sure they will want a PPI with a radioactive scan as well. I love this thread too.
Indeed.. but that doesn't apply to Ferraris. Now if you have a 15 year old Cutlass or Oldsmobile 442 with hydraulics, 12" chrome spoke wheels and spinners your good to go! Special attention is given to cars with forged paperwork and park frequently in front of local Home Depots.. haha
Since this thread long since jumped the shark, figured I'd jump in too.... Bottom line to me is that fchat classifieds are a double edged sword. Allowing comments means that threads can suffer from an overabundance of nit-picky and opinionated comments questioning the quality of the car or it's asking price. On the other hand, comments also allow members to vouch for owners and cars they may be familiar with personally or via the forum. They also call out mis-representation. Personally, I just see this as part of the personality of fchat. People should post accordingly. My approach is full disclosure right up front. It's honest and I feel that trust is earned from potential buyers when there are as few surprises as possible. When I posted my 308, I was complimented on the depth and accuracy of the listing, which may very well have helped the subsequent sale. The OP obviously felt differently. He's free to market his car any way he wishes. Unfortunately, the way he chose is completely incompatible with the fchat personality. For success here, it's clear and predictable that upfront disclosure of the title (and any other notable flaws) was critical. Absent that, polite and informative responses would have been an effective answer to the questions that were quickly raised. Had the OP chosen to act and/or react in that way, no doubt the thread would have followed a far different path. I suspect that with full disclosure up front, he would have received more compliments on car (which after all should be the focus of the thread) and wishes of good luck. At worst, perhaps a minor discussion of the effect of the title on the price might have taken place. Regardless, it would have been far better for his chances of sale.
I think you are right on. The other thing worth mentioning is the "free press" aspect of these jump the shark sale threads. Indeed every car has an owner just waiting to find it as is the case with this one. Everyone that has posted here now knows of a cheap 355 that is available. It might take a while for the next owner to find this car but a lot of people know of it. If I had a friend who was looking for one and wasn't concerned about a later resale I would have him check it out. I'll bet I am not the only one. Is there a cheaper Ferrari available that is ready to drive with access to the previous mechanic for ease of DD? I believe the OP mentioned the name of the previous mechanic. FWIW I really like the red rims too!
Just got the info from the RIV website: Home | Contact us | Français Online Portal Importing a Vehicle Payment and Fees Parts and Salvage Vehicles Important Notices About Us Print | E-mail | Share Salvage and parts vehicles Salvage vehicles - Form 1 Salvage vehicles are vehicles that have been damaged beyond economical repair due to collision, natural disaster, accident, trespass or other occurrence as determined by a licensing authority or a licensed insurance provider. All U.S. brand information on imported vehicles is acquired by RIV as part of the registration process. Vehicles in this category will have U.S. titles indicating the salvage status or brand. This information is verified by RIV through U.S. databases, and the salvage brand will be made available to all provincial and territorial licensing jurisdictions in Canada through the Interprovincial Records Exchange (IRE). A salvage status on a vehicle may severely limit your ability to get the vehicle licensed and insured in Canada. You should contact your jurisdictional licensing authority for more information. Salvage or rebuilt salvage vehicles can be licensed in Canada provided the original damage was not flood-related and the vehicle is admissible under Transport Canadas List of Vehicles Admissible from the United States. All licensing jurisdictions in Canada require a second rigorous structural integrity inspection for U.S. salvage vehicles to verify that the necessary repairs have been done to make the vehicle road safe. Salvage or rebuilt salvage vehicles can also be imported into Canada as parts-only vehicles through a Vehicle Imported for Parts Form Form 3 regardless of the source of the damage. However, once a vehicle has entered Canada on Form 3, it can never be licensed in Canada. Fees for salvage vehicles $195.00 + GST and QST for vehicles entering through a border crossing in Quebec $195.00 + GST for vehicles entering through a border crossing in any other province More information on branding history. Parts vehicles Form 3 Parts vehicles are imported into Canada for the sole purpose of being disassembled and used for parts. The disassembly for parts or to be dismantled for parts designation as it appears on the Vehicle Imported for Parts Form Form 3, is established either by the existing branding on the vehicles U.S. title or it is voluntarily declared by the importer when the vehicle is brought into Canada. U.S. vehicles that are imported for parts enter Canada using a Vehicle Imported for Parts Form Form 3 at the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) office where they cross the border. All U.S. brand information on imported vehicles is acquired by RIV as part of the registration process. Once a vehicle is declared for parts on a Form 3 or designated as a parts-only vehicle through a vehicle title history search, it is given a non-repairable status. That status cannot be reversed and the vehicle can never be licensed in Canada. The Registrar of Imported Vehicles (RIV) makes all vehicle status and brands available to every licensing jurisdiction in Canada through the Interprovincial Records Exchange (IRE). Fees for parts-only vehicles Current fees are: $70.00 + GST and QST for vehicles entering through a border crossing in Quebec $70.00 + GST for vehicles entering through a border crossing in any other province Title history searches RIV recommends that importers conduct a complete title history search on a vehicle before purchase, in order to see all brands assigned to that vehicle by U.S. licensing jurisdictions. The following companies provide title histories for a fee: CARFAX© AutoCheck© CarProof Note: RIV is not responsible for the web site content, services or results provided by companies offering these or similar services. Need assistance? Help/FAQ Glossary Helpful links Quick Overview Importer Checklist Contact us Online Portal Make an RIV Payment Track Your Case Index
The minute you list a car for sale with a salvage title, it opens a whole nother world, beginning with detrimental and demeaning comments, WHICH, the next owner is saddled with the reputation of having a "JUNK" car and will be talked down to, about and of as being a lesser person. The issue of salvage title is never mentioned until sale time..no one knows, no one cares, it never comes to mind..except at resell. No one need be told publicly because it really is of no concern except to the buyer who is informed at first possible contact between seller and buyer in a private setting. What is really wasted? a phone call, an e mail? Buyer purchases a salvage title car, his business only as to the title unless he wishes to tell others. What I am trying to say and explain here is the idea of why you would want to belittle or make a person feel bad because he drives a car with salvage title. When the time to sell comes, then you pay the piper in sellability. I knew that when I bought it. It was affordable, beautiful, low miles, drives like a dream and I was able to own my Ferrari dream, something I would have been unable to do at thousands of dollars more for another "title" car. The next owner should not have to listen to the crap for owning it, as I did from so many of you...until he goes to sell. Until then I am not going to divulge the buyer or where it went to or for how much, why brand the person because of a desire......and the "Golf Club" story will be exposed to him alone and he/she will inform you of it at a time that suits them. Let them enjoy the car free from your attacking and mean spirited thoughts on a piece of paper that goes with it. I just tried to give the buyer a bit of amnesty from you instead of making them feel a sense of shame at owning a tainted Ferrari as so many of you erroneously assume.
Ummm, you do realize that people have been attacking the non-disclosure of the salvage title not the title or car itself, right? Had it been disclosed up front opposite to the approach you have chosen, there would no doubt have been some discussion and perhaps some negative comments but I suspect the gist of the reaction would have been that it's a good deal for the right person. Good luck with the sale, perhaps if you alter your approach and tone a bit to suit the community here you will have more success.
So, what you're saying is that you feel a salvage title should be a deep, dark secret, known only to the actual transactors? Never to be disclosed until such time as you tell the first person who responds to your ad: "Psst, and oh, by the way, this car has a salvage title! That's why I'm selling it so cheap. Tee-Hee!" That's a big steaming pile of crap, IMO... a savage title greatly changes the playing field, and NOT just for the value of a vehicle, but for the actual usability of a vehicle! Did you know that in some states you can't even INSURE a vehicle intended for street use if it has a salvage title? No, you obviously did not. What you're saying above is akin to saying that you shouldn't have to disclose that a vehicle you have for sale is in perfect condition - oh, except for the fact that it's missing an engine. Take your fatally-skewed perception of wisdom & foist it elsewhere. It doesn't fly here.
AGAIN, MISSING THE POINT AND REASON FOR NON DISCLOSURE!!! in opening ad's It is what I do/did, NOT what you would do or don't do. I don't even bother with success rate in the bedroom for it is also what they miss and not my immediate satisfaction which really counts as far as the co-party goes. If you still can't get it...go to the Corvette ad and throw your rocks..less attention is paid to nonsense and most Vet owners don't give a crap what Ferrari sno.. (oops) ( no one inferred) think in the first place. They love to race Ferrari's...because they can.
Hey Tom , not for nothing but you sure got your money's worth out of your silver subscription . GLWS.
Why did you omit the states that do not allow salvage titles for street use. before you can kiss a ducks ass, first you must pucker and blow some smoke... maybe then it can "fly"....TEE HEE Expanations can only be heard by those with the ability to comprehend without moving their lips. If your a non transactor...why do you find it necessary to know anyway...you have nada to do with it in the first place except to do A little "singing in the shower" PS bye the way, since when is 30K cheap or in a flyers case...cheep cheep, below market average yes...that is a positive point for some, making it affordable to own...and by the way, the title dosent get to go along but I suppose you could paint "salvage title" on the side for those who absolutely feel they must be in the know the know the know. Feel better now? because you forgot the humor and laugh a little part of life AND, as Samuel Clemmons said and wrote...It's my story and I'll tell it anyway I want. ie (Mark Twain) Now that flys
I'm not going to search through all 57 states' motor vehicle laws to find out which ones do not allow for salvage vehicles to be operated on the roadways - it's simply common knowledge amongst those with even a little knowledge that a number of states do not allow for this. Go ahead then, lie all you want (since "telling it any way you want" would also involve any stretching of - or complete dispensing with - the truth.)
I'm sure the 348 community is it need of parts...Why not part it out? You will probably do better financially, and the time wasted responding to posts could be used toward twisting wrenches.
Actually I don't think I am missing your point - you appear to believe that it is more harmful to reveal your car's salvage title status upfront than to wait until someone contacts you. I never said you needed to do what I would do, just suggested the approach that is most likely to win you support in this particular venue. Frankly you don't seem to understand that the critical posts here are not critical of the car having a salvage title, they are critical of it's initial non-disclosure and your subsequent responses. Anyway, Good luck with the sale and for helping to keep your thread alive, your welcome.
"I recline sir, when ever possible I recline. But thank you for your invitation to lie to you but again, I must decline your questionable request I recline sir, when ever possible I recline I understand Frankly and Frankie what the critical posts are here within contained...believe me (oops) It's sort of like having my head in a bell tower at noon, I hear it loud and clear, over and over again, it has been pointed out to me time and time again..again...again...again So to all of you, my followers, friends, detractors and a few others from the dark side...HAPPY THANKSGIVING! Have a pleasant, warm and kindness filled holiday. (also to the dark side others who spend the time to research the turkeys pedigree to see if it got butterballed or not.) Happy Thanksgiving folks, Tom n Red
Every`one is still "STUFFED'' or not yet moveable for the act of filling of the cart. The fat man in red is likely tied up checking the pedigree of the raindeer, reindeer, elk or caribou required to haul his load. As for myself, the aspect of future matrimony, moving from one place to this place and deciding what room is for what. Red stays put, the Harley stays put in it's AC, heated office and all closets having been vacated, my underwear and sox go with the cat litter storage and the rest is open for usefull ideas and threats. I am sure the fat man in red may bypass me for lack of parking space and "RED" is going to be an after season thought and communications may be coming to a V-6 slumber for a while. Hold belief, "RED" is still on the market so as it goes, I goes..................... Best of Holidays to you all and those who believe not in Santa..pick on someone else. As far as twisted wenches...I have already requested from Santa not only twisted but slightly on the "Naughty" side. Happy Holidays!!
I just spent 30 minutes reading over this entire thread and would like to focus on the car since we all know their is a SALVAGE title involved now. Nothing is really mentioned about the service history other than who did the service. To me, this is a big determination of value here. Is the car also due a major service (belts /tensioners /etc) BASED UPON TIME?? I know this is debatable, but when was the last major service done on this car? I am fine with a "golf club incident" and subsequent title issue, but if it needs a major based upon the timing belts not being changed within the last 5 years, then I would argue that one reason it is not selling at 30k is that it is over priced to an educated buyer, who would look at the transaction from the point of view of being 35k or so into the car (after service) and still owning a SALVAGE 348. Can the current owner give us a little more info on the service history of the car?
This is such a sad statement. Some would take a perfectly beautiful, running, driving, lower mile Ferrari and dismantle it because the title work is branded. Someone could still get years of enjoyment out of a car like this.
Multi title issuence for dismantled owners................... For no other reason than they like to do doo doodoo oh poo Sad statements are made by sad people who fall short of understanding what the thrill of driving is about. Been asked How much does it cost, how fast does it go, what size engine, how many gears etc etc BUT Never what kind of title does it have
