... revisionist sentiment flourishes @ McLaren ~

Agree. The problem was simple....Hamilton felt that he was as fast as Alonso and resented being relegated to the #2 driver status. Alonso, otoh, signed a contract to be the #1 driver.

Can't blame Hamilton for racing to win, but Dennis had an arrangement and needed to manage the situation.

 

Dennis is a ****ing ******.

 

haha speaking of howling babies ^ that is exactly what I predicted you would do, and are doing now, very lame

Hamilton has got his 2 x WDC and that is it, something you have to live with.
The fact remains that if Nico had really been playing a webber shot gun role, then Hamilton would have been crowned WDC well before the last race.

 

WTF?

Clearly, you're projecting.

I still don't care who won, but if you don't think Nico's spirit was broken by the team after Spa, then you're delusional.

 

I do not care whatever spin you put on it, Nico shot himself in the foot, the team did not tell him to take his teammate out, he did that and if the team bollocked him for it, then they were right too, if you want to twist that to suit your agenda of lame excuses, then be my guest, I see it for what it is though..

 

I don't have an agenda.

You're projecting again.

Nico did not run into Lewis on purpose....he simply didn't jump out of the way for once. Turns out that was poor judgement.

What the team let Lewis get away with saying about it was absurd, and it was clear to anyone without bias that Nico was never the same again.

That's all there is to it. It doesn't mean Nico would have won the WDC....that's not the point I'm making....and it was YOU who brought up how you're against team orders.....and I still maintain that if Nico didn't obey these orders, none of us would have ever heard the end of it. However, when Lewis did it at McLaren, that was fine with you, of course.

Double standards as usual when it comes to Lewis.

 

I do not have double standards, you should have gleaned this by now, I like a clean fair fight, hence no liking team orders, I know all why's and wherefores for them, so do not lecture me on them.

Some drivers like them obviously, however Hamilton on this occasion, and with Mclaren clearly displayed the fact he does not need to play 2nd fiddle to no one.

 

*shakes head*

It's so ingrained in your psyche that you don't even realise you do it.

 

Nope, I do not understand you, maybe I'll try reading your posts upside down, stood on my head, it may hurt though..

 

What about the voices confirmed that Dennis is going to become major stakeholder? Do you see this as positive for Macca or a sign that investors are loosing faith?

 

Ron Dennis, the guy who handled the Prost/Senna rivalry with so much fortitude...

BHW

 

Good point. I see it as leaning toward the latter, as earlier speculation was that Ron could be gone from the team heading into next season. It's quite feasible that investors do not see F1 as a sure bet after seeing Marussia and Caterham fade into oblivion. They certainly aren't teams of the likes of McLaren, but they are indicative of the financial strains/difficulties associated with modern F1.

 

It appears that the F1 Team princibles don't seem to agree with you...
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One does wonder whether there is enough sponsorship potential to promote a globe circling series that includes 20-24 cars and 10-12 teams. From a sponsorship stand point F1 is still a Europe dominated advertising opportunity. Sure there are oil interests from the Far East and South America who are heavily involved. And there is Middle Eastern money flowing into the sport. But once those egos are satisfied, there still needs to be a return on the sponsorship money spent.

Combine that with the state of the European economy and the current decline in F1 viewership, and it is harder and harder to find big money sponsors. McLaren was an example of that in 2014. Even with their reputation, they were unable to find a season-long title sponsor.

I think Dennis' position in the team may come down to his ability to attract and keep sponsorship money. Honda will undoubtedly bring significant resources, but is Dennis the problem or solution? We'll see in 2015.

 

I believe you.

 

Resources is a very broad term.

 

Can´t really see the relation between what i said and what they choose....

 

+1

 

Yes it is.

 

Both Fernando and Ron Dennis were to blame for the 2007 fallout. RD in particular. He just mismanaged Fred.

 

Yeah, RD failed to nip it in the bud when he should have.

 

When a team writes a contract giving one driver #1 status, as Fred always insists, it opens the door for complaining and eventually discontent.

 

Then as a team manager say you won't give the driver #1 status ... simple.
Pete

 

Sometimes as a team manager, when you want the best in the business to join your team, you don't get the choice!

(And if Hamilton hadn't been as good a driver as he turned out to be then it wouldn't have been an issue! - McLaren seriously underestimated his natural ability!)

 

Agreed, but communication needed to be maintained.

In the end they gave away a very easy WDC to and undeserving Ferrari. A few clear and concise team meetings surely would have sorted it.

Saying nothing with your head in the sand won't solve anything and that is what it looked like Ron was doing frommy vantage point.
Pete