Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

This is also the first time when I saw comparing 918 vs Speciale.

For me, the only car to buy, worth more money than a Ferrari is another Ferrari.

If money could be an issue, take 911 gt3 vs Speciale , and 911 wins twofold in price department. But again, you know, that is Porsche and this is Ferrari.

 

It was about 918 w/o batteries & e-motors.
Q: What about the non hybrid 918? Still happening?
A: That car is called the Ferrari Speciale.

 

You're actually on this forum? I thought you were just joking about it.😃

 

Very hard to say that specially here, but its my imho anyway.

A better than a Ferrari to me this days is another Mclaren.

The customer service Mclarens provides its second to non, my benchmark used to be Bugatti but since my 12C things never looked or felt the same again.

Thats why I without hesitations signed the P1 contract once I heard they going to build it.

To me sadly the Speciale just a more powerful 458 with some air twicks but nothing like the transition i felt from the 360 to 360 challenge or 430 to 430 Scud.

Hopefully after my upcoming visit to woking and Geneva, 2 Mclarens will park inside my garage.

No experience yet with Porsche this days until my 918 arrives. ... mines are the old 964 Turbo X33 and Turbo 3.6

Mbn

 

918 without hybrid system weights about 600lb less and the motor puts out 608 N/A horses from a 4.6L V8. Sounds just like the Speciale's spec

Speciale A can be a verbatim with the option on open top motoring.

Cars are raw enough for that raw feel but civilized enough that one can live with them everyday.

McLaren's being turbo-ed cars so they don't have the same feel as N/A mid-engine cars.

 

Let's do something. Go to your garage, take out the owner's manual of your p1, put it on the bonnet together with the car's key and then write on a white paper "this is driftwithme's McLaren P1" take a picture of it and post it here.

As for the recall, well I was gonna marry Kate Upton tomorrow, but today she announced she got engaged with some other guy, do any of you guys know anything about her decision? I mean, we were gonna get married this past summer, but her job is so demanding we've been postponing it. Though, tomorrow was a sure thing, but now I don't know if she really got engaged to someone else. Besides, I think she's a bit ugly and a whore too, and I don't like blondes that much, but I still decided I would marry her.
Anyways if you get to know anything about her decision, let me know!

 

Driftwithme a legit P1 owner.

You a legit no one.

Nothing personal.

Mbn

 

There are most likely four walls in your room. How about you choose one, knock your head out and take a pic after that?

 

Troll.

 

Haven't been here for a while. Good to see you're all well.

Drift does have what he says he has.

Comparing a "Speciale" to any of these three is silly.

The Speciale carries on a long Ferrari tradition of cleaning our their excess parts inventory as demand drops due to a new model coming to market soon. These last gasps are fine although IMHO a bit raw for DD's and not really real track cars like a Challenge or GT3 458.
As for holding value they don't. I bought a new 430 Scud for 45K under msrp. right before the 458 came out and turned it into P 4/5 C and today they sell for a lot less than that as do 16M's.

As for a non Hybrid 918 IMHO there will be one and it will be pretty cool. There will also be a new P to go head to head with the new turbo 458 and personally I think it may be an interesting challenger.

Recalls? So what. P want's to get it right and keep it right and with VAG's backing they can and will. Every time we test we find something to improve, strengthen, change. P does this routinely. My wife's Turbo Cayenne was upgraded suspension wise at 60K miles by Porsche for free because they came up with something better. You EVER hear of Ferrari fixing something for free that had 60K miles on it?

Best Holiday Wishes.

 

It took 357 days to get to the post of the year.

 

The man speaks the truth. Listen and learn.

 

But I read that porsche had the 458 competitor on hold, unless you have some inside info?😉

 

Praising Porsche for continuous improvement because they call back some 200 918's due to under-engineered or incorrectly produced/mounted chassis and suspension parts is pushing it a bit far IMO.
Especially if compared to far bigger improvements like non-breaking con rod bolts for the 991 GT3...
Best Holiday Wishes

 

Hi Jim.

True words. And thanks for your input.

I know as a manufacturer yourself now, you can appreciate and strive to stand by everything you noted. Good Luck on your endeavors. And happy holidays to you and your family.

One thing though (and you may even know this already): Porsche still owns VAG. It's not the other way around as most believe. Not only do they on 51%; they also control 100% of it's voting rights.

The reason for the confusion?..Porsche split the company in two (A Holding company-Porsche SE AG, and the manufacturing side) years ago, when the hedge fund law suits and internecine family bickering were looming to protect themselves.

It's the manufacturing division (when split) that actually merged with VAG. However, the Holding company owns 51% of VAG, and controls 100% of the voting rights. They're in charge ultimately. Nonetheless, for some reason, most lazy auto reporters continue report it as VAG controls it. However, when we read any business/finance, reference source or interviews it's clear to see Porsche SE AG controls VAG.

Porsche executives will tell you this themselves. Again; as the various Piech, Porsche clans/major shareholders argued during the take over attempt/Potential lawsuits; they allowed the auto/manufacturing division of Porsche to be merged with VAG, providing the Porsche holding company could control VAG, and everyone agreed.

This is why even now, Porsche's in control of Sport cars, Sports Sedan Chassis, Hybird (and there's one I'm forgetting; maybe Luxury Sedan Chassis for Bentley, etc.); whatever they seemingly hold dear in the VAG Group to some non Porsche fans chagrin. This is why some believe, Porsche was able to start their own Le mans team as Sister Audi was getting close to Porsche all time records in LMP1, etc.. We'll see?

A nit pick; granted. However, as a business person, investor, and all around/sometime nerd, I just had to point that out (again) for accuracies sake. Sorry (Cheshire chat grin). Lol

Once again, good luck on your endeavors. And Happy New Year to you, your family, and everyone on the site.

 

You can't take a lot of these articles seriously now, cause many just write for the sake of writing (filling time, trying create interest, etc.), before they learn anything or have anything new to report.

It also depends if they have legitimate, trusted sources; or are they just rehashing what everyone else has written or speculated on.

It sure appears Porsche will come out with this car, based off what I've read and heard previously (especially now that the 918's are sold out), unless they decide to go into another direction for whatever reason.

Right now, the news just appears to be in a holding pattern, while Porsche's probably working behind the scenes, until they decide to leak and/or announce any information.

Stay tuned.

 

Actually the Speciale would be fourth behind the LaFerrari, the 918 and the P1 respectively. But it is not a hypercar, unlike the other 3; thus it is one of the best supercars around. Cheers.

Happy Boxing Day!

 

I agree 100% Jim. Thanks for the post. Looking forward to P bringing something new to the table.

 

+ 458...

 

You're right. Because they're faster. Ferrari will offer theirs soon.

 

Well said Jim!

 

Actually because of the emissions. Any idiot can make a powerful turbo engine anyway...

 

It is much easier and cheaper to make a turbo-ed engine do 130+HP/litre.

Ferrari do turbo because of future emission standard and fuel consumption reasons, not because it's faster. The extra HP is just gravy on top.

Doesn't take much skills to produce a high output turbo engine, just crank up the boost and voila. That's the simplified version, there are out design challenges but those are small potato compared with trying to squeeze extra HP from a N/A engine.

 

+1, The combination of turbo and electric is unbeatable

 

Ferrari and Porsche have shown otherwise with their LaFerrari and 918!!!