Ecclestone to propose V10 comeback

How about the "flux capacitor"?

 

Agreed.
Today's restrictions are more political than sporting.

"We want our cars to be the ne plus ultra of a very limited range of technology and subject to arbitrary restrictions"

Where did we lose the clue.

Happy New Year.

 

Happy New year, the last one felt like a decade

 

The problems are the tires and the limits on fuel. They are driving in conservation mode for much of the race rather than balls out like they did 10 years ago. These may be amazingly fast machines but they don't get to use them. And, yes, there's also the damn noise...

 

May this one be less of a headache for you.

 

Happy New Year to you and all who reside here.....

 

LOL Ya know it, John have great one

 

A healthy, uneventful one!

 

F1 are the quickest on a road course only because the FIA has restricted other type of racing. Before, endurance cars like Le Mans used to go faster than F1, and CanAM cars used to be even faster.

The FIA imposed restriction on other categories to ensure that F1 became the "pinacle" of motor racing. There is no reason in reality for an open-wheel open-cockpit vehicle to be quicker than a fully enclosed one benefiting from advanced aerodynamics.

 

+1 and well said. I could care less who is the pinnacle or even faster. I care about good racing. F1 is not the pinnacle as it is now. Its too political and far too manipulated to be a competition. Currently its the Mercedes show and given their budget they dont care about cost and they could care less about competition given their stance on engine freeze/unfreeze.

When development is allowed to occur over a reasonable amount of time within a framework fostering competition and not limiting it - F1 might appear to be a pinnacle of some kind. Right now its unable to field a full grid with teams able to openly compete or decide on how to reach its fans given the almost instant ways to communicate now.

The FIA was bought by CVC. Ferrari are unfairly compensated. The list goes on. IF it failed I wouldnt be here in tears. WE have lives with things to do and events to fill it. F1 is but 1 of many choices to occupy time.

 

+1, but I don't agree with the implied Mercedes show being a negative thing.

What I do believe is that all these rule restrictions and engine freeze does not save a single cent. I believe it does the opposite and the teams are spending millions searching for any advantage they can find ... this will never change, accept it and move on, ie. you want to play in F1 you need deep pockets.

I agree with Nerofer, here is your fuel, tyres and the car must fit into this box ... GO!

Sure you will get a few years like last year but that has always been part of F1, but what happens is the other teams copy and improve and the next year evens out of somebody else gets ahead. Great fun to watch.
Pete
ps: I passionately do not agree in the return to v10's as that is not cutting edge technology and from an engine point is a "been there, done that, nothing to learn" ... I watch historic racing for that. What they need to do is drop the stupid fuel flow restrictions. This would mean they would rev the current engines harder, when they need to, instead of just using the electric torque ... therefore we would have a bigger sound again.

 

Fuel flow restriction is the only good thing in the new regulations.

They should drop everything, capacity limit, number of cylinders, gas restriction, etc... BUT keep fuel flow restriction as the only parameter engine designers have to deal with.
Of course, it should be set at a higher level than it is now.

I also gather that if the revs are allowed to rise significantly, the noise may be more noisy but they will have more engine reliability problems.

 

But isn't what Nerofer suggested simpler?, ie. you have this much fuel to complete the race with, and that is it. So who cares about fuel flow when there is a fixed limit.
Pete

 

Sounds good in principle.

Trouble is, as they eventually learnt at Le Mans, it doesn't work.

Implement those regulations and we'll *really* see some economy driving!.... Think they're 'conserving' fuel now? They'll drive like a Prius jockey until they need to protect their position. Then they turn the wick up and a 5litre, turbo, ERS equipped whatever can't pass. Go down that path and look out - We'll have them implementing BOP rules before we know it.

Max fuel rate does make sense. Give them more to start, & a higher flow rate? Sure, I'm cool with that. But the formula is what it is, and they still manage to go PDQ right now. Again, careful what we wish for.

Cheers,
Ian

 

No, there is a difference between imposing a fuel limit per race, and having a fuel flow limit.

You don't race the same way!

With a fuel limit, you have to monitor constantly your driving, your throttle, to make sure you have enough fuel to finish the race. If you spend too much fuel at some point by dueling with another car, or to catch up when the track is clear, you will have to slow down later to save enough fuel to cross the finishing line. With that system, drivers and crews spend all their time monitoring fuel consumption and devising tactics, etc...

A fuel flow limit, in the opposite, set the maximum energy that can go to the engine at any time. You can use less, but you cannot use more because it is mechanically impossible. Which means that you can put your foot down from start to finish; you don't need to drive "*****-footing", you can attack all the time. The fuel flow limiter acts as some sort of rev limiter: you don't need to change your driving. It's set and you forget about it.

The benefit of fuel flow limit, is that it leaves the engineers the freedom to design the engine they think will be the most efficient, allowing them to choose capacity, number of cylinders, configuration, etc...

 

+ 1

 

Lets simplify where possible. A fuel amount restriction is all that is needed. Personally I'd like to see refueling brought back. So add a tank size limit. I don't buy the expense argument - these are now low tech/cost items.

 

I agree, but don't add a tank limit. Let the teams decide if a lighter car and better aero from a smaller tank is an advantage or not. Just don't ban refueling. I will always come down on the side that gives more decision making power to the teams.

 

+1 let them race - Fuel or not, tires or not etc. Team's call.

 

In some ways I agree but if we allow refuelling we will end up with no on track passing as they wait for the fuel stop to engineer a pass. Remember the MS days at Ferrari and the strategy was all about who could survive a lap or so longer than the guy in front instead of actually trying to pass them. I guess the same happens now with tyres.

Personally, I hate pit stops of any kind and the racing IMO was better when we had none at all.
Pete

 

+1

This is music to my ears !

 

How is stopping for gas different from stopping for tires?

The fewer rules the better.

 

Formule Libre ?

 

It's better for safety but would almost remove the "team" element entirely on race day.


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Weather variations from qual to race day? We can just RC the cars around the track with all aspects being ideal...


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