I don't know about 50bhp, but they will have more power as a result of their and Bosch's development of a 500bar injection system whereas previously it was rumored they were running about half that pressure. This allows the fuel to be atomized to an even greater degree which will present a greater surface area of fuel to the flame front of the ignition path which in turn produces more torque by way of quicker combustion efficiency.
With the extremely strict fuel controls in place it will be very difficult to yield much more power. The new MB power unit was already given the Dewar Trophy - renowned as the most prestigious award in British engineering - and its not given out every year nor specifically to anyone in Formula 1 as only 4 recipients have ever been from Formula 1. The board only votes on the award when it believes something incredible has been accomplished thus there have only been 43 recipients of the award in its 108 year history. Beyond 2015 with this latest iteration of their power unit I don't believe internal combustion gains will be nearly as big, rather I believe energy recovery systems will be where the gains are made.
I know the hybrid stuff really suits the business model of Merc and obviously they can defray alot of their R&D budget and direct that to their F1 team. But it's a pity F1 is being forced down this path. I see a lot more gains in DI technology. Personally I'd like to see the hybrid junked. V6 could work but with twin turbo, DI and unlimited revs. I'm even ok with limiting the fuel but no flow restrictions.
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They of course will appear in Melbourne with a 2015 engine because if they change the position of the turbo, oil tank, etc... the whole packaging of the car won´t work with the 2014 crap. But I guess that they won´t be at 100% 2015 spec. How much then: 50%, 75%? Who knows. One thing is for sure: the Honda will be already almost at 100% from the beginning.
Last year I said it was complete BS that Merc might be 50-75hp ahead of other engine manufacturers. I got to eat my words. I'm not doubting them now when they say they've found an extra 50hp. However, Renault/Honda/Ferrari will all have the Merc turbo setup which will allow them to close that gap. Whose to say they also haven't developed a 500bar injection system? I doubt they will be on merc power levels but I suspect the gap is closer this year, to maybe around 30hp deficit.
Ford Hybrid factory closed for Obama visit as hybrid sales slump. In a year when car sales where at near record levels the Ford hybrid sales are down over 21%. Ford plant will be closed during Obama visit
Way to cheap. And many complain about the price (at least until about a month or so ago when prices started dropping a little). They pay around half of what an European pays for fuel...
Nice link on the Mercedes aero for the car. Its not all the motor/PU. Importance of aero in F1 underrated - Paddy Lowe - Mercedes | Mercedes | Formula 1 news, live F1 | ESPN F1
Petrol is actually overpriced - even at today's prices. There are both federal and state taxes on every gallon. Compare that to the electric cars that are subsidized. I think if you took out these artificial distortions there'd be no hybrids sold anywhere.
They will either run a 100% 2014 spec engine or a 100% 2015 spec engine, because the Sporting Regs forbid them running a different spec of a PU that is already homologated. APPENDIX 4 POWER UNIT HOMOLOGATION 2. A manufacturer may homologate no more than one specification of power unit.
Same as in Europe, but we just pay a hell of a lot more tax on it. What I meant was, in comparison to Europe, US fuel/oil is way to cheap. I wonder how much oil can be saved if the average American didn't change his cars' oil every 3000 miles .
Which appears contradictory to statements that there will be allowable upgrades. I suspect that those more recent statements will be the ones they go with.
I tried to address this way back in post #43 above..... That rule is to stop any of them homologating more than one design of PU. As I said, none of them can homologate 'design-option-one' and another 'option-two'. However, from my reading of both Article 4 and the Autosport story (both quoted above), it seems to me a 2014 homologated unit will now remain homologated, without need for re-homologation, until it's received its (maximum of) 32 tokens of upgrades. At which point it must be homologated as their 2015 unit. Again, Charlie is generally pretty good in his use of words in these 'notes', and he said; Again, I could be wrong, but my understanding is they're now free to do incremental upgrades as and when they choose to their 2014 engines until they've used all 32 tokens (if they want) prior to submitting it as their 2015 PU. I realize I'm disagreeing with many here, as well as James Allen, who's a lot closer to this mess than me, so I could be wrong...... I'm sure we'll find out soon enough..... Cheers, Ian
The boys in Woking, and I guess Japan, are already whining; The above also (somewhat) confirms my belief that the others are going to be allowed to do incremental upgrades as they wish; There is no mention of a 'solitary' upgraded PU being the requirement. Rather, upgrades are permitted through the season.... This ones going to run for a while yet...... Cheers, Ian McLaren seeks Honda engine leeway - AUTOSPORT
This seems to imply no progressive developments: From autosport who seem to have created the confusion in the first place: Some F1 teams targeting engine freeze loophole for 2015 - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com
That's an old story...... Long since superseded by the one I quoted above. Things have moved on..... Charlie's note over Xmas being particularly pertinent. Cheers, Ian
I know it's old but explains what could have happened and has. Whiting of late can't get one right apparently. Someone needs to fix the fix, and the fixer
