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  1. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    My memory is not that good, I'll look up the stats when I have time, I'am assuming you will know them.
    BTW I do know I didn't harp on about how bad a driver Nico was, but we all know why you rate Nico highly, and that makes me laugh.
     
  2. Aircon

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    Do I rate Nico highly? Where have I said that? I just think he's about the same level as Lewis, give or take a bit. Whether or not that rates him highly is you just trying to read between the lines.
     
  3. Bas

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    The spa thing can be debated till the end of time. Lewis assumed Rosberg was a lamb and cut him off, right at the time Rosberg decided he wasn't a lamb and held ground.

    I seem to remember Rosberg having to fight his way from last to 2nd as well, on a street track no less (yes, he outbraked himself in T1).

    This is not a debate whether Lewis was worthy of his title or not, he is, because he simply did drive better. No one is debating that. I'm debating the fact that someone claims that Rosberg's car was much more reliable, which it wasn't. Only a tiny amount.
     
  4. toil

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    The reason the disparity existed was because coming Into the final race it was 5-2 in the reliability stakes. 3 DNF lewis and 2 for nico as well as lewis starting at the back in 2 races and achieving a mediocre finish. After Abu dhabi was a good 70-80 point difference which is what it would've have been had they both had equal reliability.

    So yes in the end it worked out okay but coming Into Abu dhabi the only reason nico was in the running was a) by virtue of the double points farce which he won't be able to rely on this year and b) unequal reliability.

    This year the title will be locked up ️earlier imo unless nico improves on his weaknesses.

    IF you want to count Canada in nicos reliability score then you must also count Italy for lewis where for the first 5 laps he had an issue and dropped to 5th from 1st in the beginning and had to fight his way back and due to nicos poor driving that race managed to win. I think in Canada if lewis were in nicos position he may have won given he is a much more aggressive defender (see his performance vs nico in Bahrain when the safety car caught him out on the inferior tire and he managed to hold nico behind on tires 1 -1.5 sec a lap quicker on a track with ample passing opportunities. Many experts were astonished by his display and couldn't Believr how he managed to do it).
     
  5. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Huh ..Well if you rate Nico on the same level as Lewis then that rates him very high, you answered your own question, other than that I'll agree to disagree.... how bizarre..
     
  6. PSk

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    Sure Lewis, whatever you say.
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  7. Aircon

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    the Hamilton fanboi rose coloured glasses are out in full bloom today.
     
  8. kraftwerk

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    When Lewis realized it mattered not if he was not sitting on pole, and blitzed passed Nico on more than one occasion off the start line, Nico developed a severe case of red mist at Spa, and then committed the cardinal sin of throwing caution to wind, with a coming ready or not attitude and took him out, he was rattled, then the Merc top brass had to then step in, and it was game over, the best man won.
     
  9. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    They are called common sense glasses, not that you would know about such things.
     
  10. Aircon

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    Well, that's your opinion, which you're entitled to.

    My belief is that Lewis is about as good as MS was in his 40s, based on his performance against Nico.

    I don't know if that makes Nico or Lewis anything other than as good as someone well past their prime.

    In fact, in MS' last year, when both cars finished the races, MS scored more points than Nico, just like Lewis, as you've SO OFTEN pointed out, which further proves my point that Lewis is just an average F1 driver because tif12, who's never wrong, said MS was past it and no good and Nico was just a midfielder. Beating Nico obviously doesn't make Lewis very good. Sorry about that.
     
  11. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Who are you referring to ?
     
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    Hahaha the penny has dropped. nope Lewis was head and shoulders above MS in his forties live with it.

    Who did MS fear,? and how did that pan out when Lewis was his team mate.
     
  13. toil

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    11 vs 5 wins sure nico is as good as lewis...

    You're just trolling though because a few montjs ago you admitted lewis is better

    Nico vs Schumacher: http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/11/schumacher-and-rosberg’s-head-to-head-record-at-mercedes/

    Nico clearly thrashed him and obviously Schumacher dropped in form but After only 3 years off it wouldn't have been that drastic. Imo he was dropping in form 05-06 too
     
  14. Aircon

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    Well, as Jack Nicholson said "you can't handle the truth"

    It is what it is....deal with it.
     
  15. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Ditto.
     
  16. PSk

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    Agree Lewis. In fact I believe MS was dropping in form from about 2002.

    BTW: Remember MS won the WDC in 2002 and 2004, so winning the WDC when you have the dominant car does not make you the best driver in the world, just in the right place at the right time and slightly better than your team mate. In MS's case and yours, Lewis, the team mates were neutered which is a pity ...
    Pete
     
  17. toil

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    Ms team mates were neutered vecUse of team orders and he had number 1 status. Not the same with lewis and nico. How was nico neutered? He was given equal opportunity
     
  18. Aircon

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    Actually it's EXACTLY the same.
     
  19. PSk

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    One can only see what one wants to see ;) ... and Lewis will not admit that Nico was neutered by the team after Spa, even though we all witnessed the handing over of the lead at Monza with as badly executed MS like intentional mistake.
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  20. Aircon

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    bingo.
     
  21. toil

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    Nico fanboys and their conspiracy theories
     
  22. Aircon

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    we didn't need you to prove our point, but thanks anyway.
     
  23. Bas

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    Oops, seems I was talking to walls again. What was I thinking.
     
  24. DF1

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    I like white walls. Clean open feeling you get from them. :)
     
  25. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    If that was the case it was the right thing to do, however that is not a fact AFAIK.
     

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