Tire question/ suggestion for Ferrari FF

I have a Ferrari FF that I use as daily driver in California, currently has 20,000 miles and back tires are ready to change and front tired need change soon ( per dealer)

Should I stay with same Pirelli pzero ? Move to Michelin ? Would another tire provide daily use more durability and still good performance

Open to suggestions as I need to purchase tired ASAP

Thank you

Roberto

 

Your choices are pretty limited to PZero Pirellis or the MPSS.

Frankly I've found the Pirellis to be very good; only tires we've had on the FF (we use SottoZero's in the winter).

The "official" Pirelli's are an FF-specific spec, Tire Rack has them (and when I've ordered tires, they've asked for my VIN and confirmed it with my dealer - unsure if they still do that).

If you are happy with the Pirellis I would stick with them, others I'm sure have alternate opinions (i.e. Michelin).

 

How long have your tires lasted usually?

 

20K miles is hella lotta miles for a Ferrari. I thought I was doing great getting almost 10K miles on the tires on our FF. Our 612 would barely make 6K, usually less.

 

I have MPSS. Very happy with them. Changed the front at 12K miles and the rears at 15K.

 

i went with Michelin when i put the f12 wheels on my ff

 

Here's another data point. My FF came with Bridgestone S001 even though the sticker said PZero. The Bridegstones are excellent on traction wet and dry, turn in, braking, and good ride comfort and low noise. But the rears are gone at 7000 miles. I am getting MPSS. I have excellent all around experience with them.

 

MPSS works better in the dry and warm weather, they don't degrade much at high temperature.

PZeros sacrifice high temperature grip and dry grip for better wet grip and low temperature grip.

Bridgestone is the occasional 3rd supplier that I haven't seen put on the car outside of Noblesse's car.

Your tire choice depends on what kind of weather you plan on driving the car in.

 

Can you post a photo of your car with the f12 rims on it?

 

Is this your personal experience, or is this something you know to be technical fact?

I ask because I actually find it to be the other way around. Granted, I'm not an FF owner, but on my cars with MPSS and PZero, I find the MPSS to be more forgiving, in need of less warmup and better in the wet. I generally think it's a better all around tyre. I would guess that the PZero would have an edge if you tracked a car with both and made a comparison.

Just my 2c

 

I have had both in quite a few of my cars and chats with Porsche engineers and McLaren personals about tires. My experiences coincide with their opinions.

Supersport is a great upgrade over the PS2s, it is better in every possible way, but Michelin kept the same trait in their compound selection, the MPSS is awesome in the wet if you compared with the PS2, but the PZeros just had that little bit more bite in cooler weather and the tread pattern is more conductive of evade water over MPSS.

For most people, the MPSS is one of the best tires to have. Good enough in the cold and wet and awesome when in operating temperature.

 

I've always preferred MPSS' over Pirellis, mostly due to their comparable high-performance characteristics with the comfort edge going to the MPSS'.

 

My understanding is that Ferrari uses MPSS for all published performance tests.

 

Pirelli have a close contractual relationship with F. Whilst of course there would never be any illegal anti-competitive contractual restrictions (...), it is interesting to note that any Pilota course car "cannot" be run with Michelin tyres according to the course personnel.

 

PS2's are very slippery when not heated up, scared the hell out of me a few times in my California. I know, I've had Ferraris with PS2's and PZero's. The PS2's last MUCH longer but if you are driving a modern Ferrari you should not care how long they last! PZero's stick far better when not heated up. The front's on my FF wear very bad on the inside edge, from showing off the braking ability from 160 mph to zero I think . So, I will stick with the PZero's for summer and SottoZero's for the snowy NW Ohio winter.

 

The Bridgestones must be very rare. The manual doesn't even list tire pressures for them.

 

Or your car was a counterfeit and that's why it didn't come with proper tires. Haha.

 

I wondered about that. The seat belt extenders still work at 7000 miles ... heh heh.

 

Damn!, the plastic hook/pusher still there too? God, has to be a Japanese copy then. No wonder you have Japanese tires. LOL

 

. found this under the rear floor mat -- a real head scratcher
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He's probably getting 40 mph too.

 

You mean 40 mpg? No but it does get 19mpg

 

19? I think I am doing 9.

You better check under the hood to see if half the cylinders are fake.

 

Only half of them are on half the time.

 

A V3? Amazing.





To OP, sorry to hijack your thread and make it go OT. But can't resist to have some fun with Noblesse