Official Countach Value Thread

Hi guys,

Just to follow-up on this discussion -- it looks like my car only has the side mounting points on the frame, which were for either the original big box ANSA or the bastardized Amerispec exhaust which I've posted before.

There is no center mounting point on the frame right in the center; not sure if there ever was or if it was cut and removed.

What do you guys have on your cars, both the side and center mounting points for the exhaust? I'd really like to use the sport ANSA which uses the center point but I have nothing to attach it to. One thought would be to have a bar between the side points with a center hole to mate up to the sport ANSA but this is not that elegant?

 

As a follow-up would anybody be so kind as to post the attachment points for the single center and side-mounted exhausts?

 

Countachs for sale, some have been for available for a while:

http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/carsforsale/?q=countach

Lamborghini Countach for Sale | Classic Driver

It'll be interesting to see what happens next week at the auctions, and the tone that's set. Perhaps that'll be the time to re-adjust values across the board.

A poll on whether values will increase, stay the same, or drop would be an interesting idea!

 

Many of the cars lised on Hemmings and Classic Driver will cross the block in the auctions next week. There is a good bit of uncertainty in the CT market right now, because not many know the true sales data. I believe Scottsdale will simply solidify the values discussed today and give the market public sales with which to compare. I believe the values I posted previously comparing your chart from 2012 to where they are today is where the market is today and where things should flush out. The vast majority of cars being offered on open market today are '88 and '89 cars; very few carbureted cars. A strong carbureted car is still a rare find.

 

How many carbed qv s 85/88 verus fuel injected where produced . Thanks

 

Don't see a good reason for a drop. Would go with stay the same or slight increase.

-mick

 

Things are so subject to the car but I think the blue S1 will get the 1MM knowing collectors dont like cars that are actually running with 32K kms and prefer lawn ornament with seized engines that never run...lol

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Based on what i know of the condition of the cars, the auction should be considered successful if the three Scottsdale cars go for the lower end of their ranges (all in) and perhaps a slight uptick. The estimates are optimistic, so if they break the lower end of the estimates, the market will have moved upward.

 

I think only one third of QV's were Fuel Injected. So much for the rarity theory

 

That's about right, the DD QVs & DD 25ths are twice as prolifically produced as FI QVs & FI 25ths. Food for thought.

 

All US Spec QV cars were FI and remainder DD, correct?

 

The dd versus fi value trend is strange indeed, especially concidering the nmbr produced.also reading a blog on this site a few days ago,where dd owners complained how their cars where not running as they should( video of Countach running on the autobahn) my fi 87 has been treating me flawlessly for 8 years,and my freind for 17 years prior to that,it starts and runs perfect every time,what am i missing here?

 

Same here, I took my Countach out today.... I just reach in and turn the key to start....let it warm up....then get in and go....Bosch K-jet runs flawless and is maintenance free Even though the DD engine looks better, with as many cars that I have to maintain, I don't know if I would really want a carbed car.

 

I agree. After owning two 1980 Maserati Quattroporte's, each with (4) weber downdrafts and an '83 Jalpa with (4) weber downdrafts at the same time, I've had my fill of carb rebuilding, tuning and synchronizing! hahahaha....

On the plus side, I could see Weber stock prices rise when I used to buy rebuild kits for 12 carburetors!

Mike

 

Debated forever I guess. The single biggest draw for carbs for me was reliability & I could work on it. Yup. Believe it or not. I had a 89 Vette that went on a wrecker twice for fuel injected issues. I swore off 80's & 70's fuel injection after that one & a few other cars. I have always been able to limp a carbed car home. Fuel injection is not without problems. The fuel dist went out on my 930 shortly before I bought it.

 

I think the attraction is not in the numbers or the ease of driving, it is in the fact that the carb car is in line with the original designer intent. FI was for market adaptation after the fact not a want from the drawing board, unlike its sucessor.

think about how the 2V FI has been treated and it is a rare car!

 

FI is down on power though. DD lamborghini engine from the Countach, both variants, is the only 4valve V12 DD carb power plant put into a street car. I can count many FI 4V V12's in the world but this is unique. They look amazing sound amazing ect. Getting one into top shape is a valuable achievement.

And then there are a number of DD cars with skirts. Euro DD cars no skirts are probably pretty low in numbers overall.

Debate will go on. Those who cheap on labor will find their carbd cars lambo or otherwise, not working correctly. That's a fact.

 

That is true for many if not all exotics! There is also the isue of skills and passion from the side of the mechanic who work on these. I can tell you that a guy who has both the skills and the patience to tune it right are far few between.
Mine is ok for now but not perfect. Slight hesitation between 3500-4000 rpm, but I can live with that.

I had the chance to have to really perfect tuning when I got it and it lasted like that for many many years. No flat spots, just pulling real hard and it was amazing.

 

Good timing re DD carbs. I'll be booking mine in to have a tune on the carbs in later spring. As not sure if or when this has been done in the past. Being an older lady, sure she'll appreciate a bit of loving.

Be interesting to see / hear / feel the difference post tuning.

R

 

I think both have their appeal.

However.

A factory FI Countach is rarer than a Carb Countach overall if you consider LP400 through 25th. That's not debatable.

Then too, I prefer Carbs in a 4-liter car, as per the original concept. Part of the reason for this preference is the fact that by the advent of the 5-liter Countach, the car was no longer the original concept, and in the automotive world, Carbs were obsolete by then.

 

By "rare find," I meant on the market (available for sale) in the US. Most of the US cars I have come across are FI cars; LP400s and 500s seem much harder to come by. Skirts, etc or no skirts is a matter of opinion as well I suppose, but no skirts also much harder to source on the market.

 

Agreed.

 

I believe you have it wrong here.
There are more none skirted Euro DD cars than skirted.

 

Yes, well aware should have said without instead of with. Subtract those from the total DD QV cars is all I was getting at for a round body QV count. If you like the skirts that's a plus, or minus in finding one!! I always liked them without skirts. But as always it's a freaking Countach no matter what, maybe it's best to just shut up and drive?? It's fun to see the hustling on what's better in way of variants, guilty as charged here.... The Countachs and diablos can be discussed forever in these ways because of their very long life cycles. I like there are many incarnations of the beasts.

 

Photos below show the center mount (with the ground strap bolted to it) from the engine compartment side. The panel needs to be removed or modified to use it. You can relocate one of the side mounts shown hanging in the second photo to the center mount if needed. At least that is my understanding of how it is done. The other way to do it is to weld brackets on the sport exhaust system to make it a side mount system.

Cheers Jim

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