You are wrong, the official name of "328" turbo is not "turbo intercooler", but just GTB/GTS turbo. So you are the evidence that there is a big confusion about the turbo cars names even in Italy too. I used the "328" turbo name (between "") just to explain which i speak about as they have a very similar name that makes confusion about the one you are talking of. If you check some European ads, the intercooled version often is called "328 turbo" just to specify which is of the two turbo models. So I think that here on this USA forum is better to call the two models 208 turbo (for the 1982-85 not intercoooled model that looks like a 308) and "328" turbo (for 1986-1989 intercooled one that looks like a 328), just to be clear which of them you are talking about. ciao
Correct! - Because that's what they are officially called. As you have correctly pointed out, Ferrari never made a "328 turbo". They deliberately stopped using "208 turbo" when they made the later variant with the 328 body work to distinguish between the two models, so there shouldn't be any confusion on the matter. A 328 turbo would have to have a 3.2 litre turbo engine to be correct to Ferrari's naming system, not a 2.0 litre engine.
I think i already knew that and i already wrote that i used the "328" name just to be clear with beginners... The factory official model name of GTB turbo (86-89) is F106 AB TR The factory official model name of GTS turbo (86-89) is F106 AB TP Those are the only official factory names. Others are just commercial names. There is a model that is like the 308 and another that is like the 328. Both are 2 liters, but very different in the output. Call them as you want: i already know the correct name of my cars... ciao Image Unavailable, Please Login
The only thought that's going through my mind is "...here are a bunch of owners saying $100K and in the not too distant future, that could be a low-end number..."
When the crew at FoSD gets done servicing it and installing a clutch. In the meantime, crappy iPhone pics are sustaining me. Speedster is in for service as well so I'm in dire straits automotively this week. FChat'er and professional photographer Robb is coming out to San Diego this weekend, so hopefully the car is done and better photos will be had... Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I love any discussion about the turbos and everything about them , either their names. In my opinion the right "comercial names" have been: "208 turbo GTB/GTS" for the first, 308QV-looking like model and "GTB/GTS turbo" for the second, 328-looking like model both times "turbo" in small letters. btw , both the most interesting cars of their particular series of 3x8 - just my 2ct
I don't really want any material things right now except maybe this house that's a block or so closer the beach AND is has a three car garage that I could install a lift in. This house is $200,000 more than my house is worth. So I'd need 250k, That's the 200 for the house and 25 for a lotus turbo esprit and 25 for moving/repair/real estate fees.. Think i'll be holding on to my 1980 308gtsi for some time. ;-)
The only reason why they cost less than a 328 is that they are not well known outside Italy and almost nobody know how good they are. Ciao
The 208 Turbo is not so good, it has engine problems, valves and turbo, so the reason of lack of interest also in Italy...
We were talking about the Turbo Intercooler, do you remember? the one that's like the 328... Ciao PS My 83 turbo works. Very well. QV has the same valve problems, just a bit later. No turbo problems on any turbo. Just valve problems at 70-80 k km on the 82-85 models. Of course if you set the Wastegate pressure 50% more than the factory standard, the engine won't last long.
You know Alberto there is never any rules with respect to what makes values increase. A lot of it has to do with "perceived" value or maybe capturing the imagination. The Turbo'd 2/3x8's were limited production for a certain market, for a certain purpose, so they never had global appeal or awareness to begin with. Secondly the 2/3x8 never made its mark as a "turbo" car. By and large it was always known as a normally aspirated car and made most of its mark that way. Of course the 288 GTO is a totally different animal altogether. And if you take the 288 and the F40 out of the equation, both of which again are totally different animals, you will see that Ferrar's were never famed for their turbo cars, like Porsche was. Ferrari's were by and large great normally aspirated cars with great induction noises and not laggy. So perhaps these are a couple of reasons that the turbo'd models we are talking about have never jumped hugely in value. That is not to say they do not have their supporters, such as yourself. It's just not huge I guess. Also not sure why you say the first 208 turbo is the best looking of all 3x8's?? I think many people on these forums would argue that the first of the line was the purest and also prettiest of the Fioravanti design. Which brings me back to your original question asking why your 308 steel is half the value of the Vetro. Can I ask you why first edition books, stamps, comics, pokemon, apple computers or anything first are more valuable?? Because it represents the birth or the physical manifestation of a particular moment in the life of that thing be it a book, comic, car model or whatever and reflects an important moment in its life and so this can capture the imagination of people who want to be part of that.
Stradman, the vetro is the first 308. My opinion is that you have to pay it more than a steel car: I agree with you. But I also think the same for the very first turbocharged Ferrari ever. I just wrote my opinion. A forum is a place where you wrote opinions: Often there is some truth in every opinion, so it's very useful to read many of them. Ciao
I'm afraid you're wrong again! Those are not the official model names, they are the official model codes (Or "type reference" according to: GTB Turbo: turbocharged variant of the 328 GTB, created in 1986. ) - Not the same thing. The cars were sold as GTB turbo and GTS turbo, not F106 AB TR and F106 AB TP (The pictures you've posted demonstrate that fact!). I appreciate why you're calling your car a 328 turbo (to distinguish it from the 308 based 208 turbo more easily for those who are not in the know), but for the sake of accuracy, you should refrain from telling people they are wrong when they state that there is no such thing as a 328 turbo because the fact of the matter is, there is no such thing as a factory built 328 turbo.
I'm in the interview process for a job out in California, and my Euro 308 will never be Cali legal. So I guess I may find out what mine would sell for soon enough, although it needs to be enough for me to get into another 3 pedal Fcar. In the mean time, I'm holding out for $150k. When that happens, I can get my hands on a LM Blue 550, and have a little extra to do what I please. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Oh, and to respond to the OP, I wouldn't take anything less than $100k for my car. My reasons? Late-production '89 GTS finished in a very rare color, in great shape inside and out, and with a motor that was rebuilt from the bottom up by pro's 4 years (and less than 4k miles) ago. And my wife would kill me if I sold it again.
