Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

I met Wallister during the first private showing of the 918, i think it was more than 2 years back. I remember bombarding him with questions about the different driving modes and how long does the HL mode last. A very nice, down to earth, determined and focused gentleman i have to say. Hope he gets the credit he deserves for his achievement.

Appreciate the invite, i will dm you

 

The "perfection" seems a long word for learning to porsche, in case of their 918. One may joke - is porsche going to develop that one hypercar (918) the same long as all the 911s line?
And it is quite funny how some of you deny your own earlier assertions. Now you admit how much you had to be forgiving to the 918, so now it is good ! (Wows. That is a very nice news.) And for all the same time were praising porsche ;-). This is definitely only for very hardcore fans.;-)
And why not appropriate for
Public? Do you know something about the newest recall maybe?

Now I only wonder how people can not like Datsun GTR. It is a brilliant piece of engineering and also complicated and .. best bang for a buck. Why do I prefer Ferrari for example ?

 

If you are talking about the front suspension bits, MY CAR is the one that makes them do the recall. I know of 2 more 'recalls' after that that you didn't know about. Porsche is very open to the owners about stuff that goes on with the cars. Try that with Ferrari or McLaren.

I had always been on the 918's side if you are able to remember, still is.

You have empty talk, nothing more. Ask driftwithme if he is a convert now. He will tell you it was worth every second of him waiting for the car.

 

Thanks as always for the bits of information.
My word overall is that 918 is a great car for sure, one of the 3 greatest at this time, but about th story - even the so called German perfection didn't come without some sort of pain. Good that porsche manged to keep in their customers the faith to their products.
Congrats to all the owners of 918, P1 and LaF.

 

Pain is relative.

I spoke to a LaFerrari owner yesterday who told me his car had just been recalled and has gone back to Ferrari for service. So recalls can hit any brand. What matters is that the companies take care of making the cars right and keeping the owners informed.

The bummer part of a recall is being without your car for a while. I've only had my P1 for a week but I'd hate to have to part with it for even a few days. These cars just get in your blood. Even if you're not driving them that day they're so beautiful to have in your garage to look at, hang out with and know the next driving is coming soon. Thanks to some cold & rainy weather, in the first week I probably spent just as much time 'playing' with my P1 as driving it. I'm sure lots of people here feel the same way about their cars no matter what make or model.

 

Any update on the laferrari laptime at anglesia track?

 

just received this from McLaren dealer



I am writing to you as one of the closest members of the McLaren family with the news of the next chapter for McLaren’s award-winning hypercar.

Production will commence only when all 375 examples of the McLaren P1TM have been produced – a date currently scheduled for June 2015 - and numbers will be strictly limited. The exact production run is yet to be determined but will not exceed low double digits. What is certain is that the P1 ‘Track’ will take the technology and powertrain developed for its road legal sister in an even more extreme direction. For example, tyres will be race proven slicks, the car’s track will be widened, its ride height will be fixed at the lowest setting, styling will be even more aggressive with a fixed rear wing to include DRS, and the interior will be minimalist and track focused. You can expect more power, more torque and less weight.

As part of the ownership package, McLaren will organise a series of circuit events dedicated to P1 ‘Track’ clients. There will also be a tailored programme for each owner to develop driving skills with the intention of getting the best out of the driver and their P1 ‘Track’. There will be other benefits for this most exclusive of McLaren client groups including a specialist maintenance programme and unique events.

From the review of requests made by existing depositors we have been working on actions to both support the sales process & to identify third parties who could work with GTR owners to adapt the car for road use :

- There will be an invitation to a dynamic drive event. The first of these will be 17th – 20th Feb in Qatar. All depositors will be invited at some point to a dynamic drive.This is part of the GTR development programme, the location chosen because the temperatures are high enough to make the tyres work – there is nowhere in EU that can guarantee this at the moment. I repeat, prospects have to deposit first to secure a build slot, then will be able to join this / other test events.

- Road legal conversion: Many depositors have requested this, it will NOT be undertaken by MAL. However, we have also had interest from third parties to make the GTR road legal (like F1 GTR, also Fxx). We are in discussions with outside specialists and it is expected this will be possible. If this is a condition of purchase for a prospect we would ultimately return the deposit if it was proven to be impossible. We cannot guarantee this, but expect it will be possible, and would put the customer in contact with the converter after sale and they would agree the conversion directly – it must be understood that this will be outside McLaren, but that if a customer desires to convert to road use this option is very likely to be possible via a third party.

We also hope that the P1 ‘Track’ community will be international and as passionate about driving as we are. I am certainly looking forward to the first dedicated track event of 2015.

 

A road legal gtr would preposterous. We need more crazy and insane ideas like this in the car world.

 

so you have a roadlegal P1 with 'race mode' and a roadlegal P1 GTR?

 

Why not? I think a lot of people would want to be able to drive their Gtrs on the road after they finish with their program.

Look at the F1 Gtrs, people are driving these lemans legends and enjoying them on the road.

 

Are there actually any FXX's (not "FXX" Enzo's) that are legitimately road legal?

I'm not talking about a car spotted on the road in some Oligarch city or on test plates, but a real FXX on ordinary license plates. Where I live you can take your idea of road registering a car like the P1 GTR or FXX far far away.

IMO I don't understand why anyone sane or insane would want to drive something like that on the road. I've seen a road legal MC12 Corsa, but it's absolutely horrible and meaningless to drive on the public road.

 

A road-legal GT-R would be incredible. Perhaps it could get a "street-mode."

I wonder if McLaren doesn't want to offer the conversions itself as it might undermine their 375 limited production of the roadcar. Then again, as these cars will cost significantly more it may not have that big of an impact. Perhaps they just don't want to make promises yet for what would likely be a very costly and time consuming legal and technical undertaking to make a handful of cars compliant.

 

Apparently, the same (German) outfit that legalised the MC12 Corsa did an FXX and from what I have seen the result is equally horrible! Also not clear whether it was an FXX made road legal or an Enzo made to look like an FXX... In any event the road legal FXX is an Enzo and the road legal FXX K is LaFerrari!! No need to look further!!

 

If you're referring to Edo Competition, both cars started life as their respective road versions.

 

I really don't mind how its done, but i would love to see them in the streets someday

I think it was an enzo that was transformed into an fxx. Why was the conversion horrible? It looked not too shabby in the pictures at least

 

Exactly. Race cars are at home on the track, not the regular road shared with ordinary vehicles. Nor are they faster, or any 'better' to drive.

I checked the "road legal" FXX. In all the pictures I saw it had German license plates with red lettering, which I have never seen before. Guess what, they are dealer/test plates. So not fully road legal like a normal car then.

 

I dont think there are any truely road legal FXX out there. I know theres someone in florida who has an FXX and enzo and just puts the enzos plates on the FXX if hes planning on driving it on the road haha.

 

FWIW I believe there is a genuine MC12 Corsa running on plates in the US?

Check out the video below, that thing on the road is absolutely ridiculous. I'd call it a waste of mileage, considering overhaul on those components isn't what you'd define as inexpensive...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYAUTg8UIxU[/ame]

 

Nuts!

 

With that mentality we should all drive a prius

 

I spoke to Mclaren many times regarding this as im interested to transfer my P1 GTR to road legal.

We still talking and I still can't decide, but it can be done by a third party not Mclaren.

Now the hardest part which third party !

After Geneva things well get more clear but I'm happy 3 of my suggestions to Mclaren went into actual production options so I wish they hire me lol (jk the guys and girls there doing their best)

That's why I love Mclaren they do listen and listen closely.

Mbn

 

Absolutely not.

Take one of my friends as an example, his trackday cars include an Ariel Atom and a Scud. I'm sure your familiar with the Atom, and that it is for some crazy reason road legal. It is a blast on track, but on the road that thing is horrendous. Much like a race car, it hates things like lower speeds (aka regular speed limits) and traffic. Although you are cramped and sit on a piece of molded plastic, you have visibility all around.

When driving, under 75-80 mph it feels unsettled and vibrates/resonates like a car of that type will do. Then when you get to some speed it settles down nicely, cruises at a nice rpm and feels as-close-to-civilized again. Still, you get tired and the 45 minutes drive to the track is nearly as tiring as the track driving it self. It's not fun, but you put up with it to get those laps on track.

Well, actually he doesn't put up with it anymore, since he's selling it. The Scud is fun and driveable both on and off the track.

 

The Atom has no windshield, no body panels. You will need a helmet to drive it.
Sure its harsh, but find the right roads and it will be rewarding.

Then again you wouldn't drive these cars on a daily basis. I get your point, However having the option to drive a mclaren gtr or fxxk on the road would be really nice. They will still be more forgiving than an ariel atom.

 

The video of the MC12 Corsa on the streets was brutal and not in a good way. Waste of a good race car IMHO. The drivetrain was totally mismatched to the stop and go of normal traffic. Harsh ride and appeared very uncomfortable. Just has a big "look at me" factor that would get old pretty fast (first ride). I guess if that's what you like then go for it.

 

Many things will be rewarding "on the right road". I'm not sure that's an adequate compensation, but each to their own. You can apply the same logic to track use. Why road register the car if it will only be rewarding on the "right road" aka track.

No, you wouldn't DD any car of that sort, and I'm not sure how a race car is more forgiving? I recall many years ago watching the Koenigsegg CCGT having to sit in stop and go traffic at an event. The car didn't like it and in turn spilled fluids all over the parking garage. The only user friendly aspect I can come to think of for a GTR / FXX compared to a thoroughbred racer is the automated transmission as opposed to a sequential unit - and in some cases, the inclusion of AC.

By the way, I would never get in a car with a full roll cage without a helmet.