Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

FXX #28, chassis 145766, originally owned by an FChat member, has been converted by Joe Macari in the UK and it is now 100% road legal

 

The p1 gtr dosnt have a roll cage. The Koenigsegg ccgt is a road car, it could have spilt its fluids for a variety of reason.

Seeing how compliant the p1's suspension is and how comfy the seats are, i really don't think the p1 gtr will be a bad road driver.

Would love to see pictures of that.

 

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After:


And here when it was up for sale at Joe Macari:
Ferrari FXX - Previously Sold Cars - Cars for Sale - Joe Macari

I would have kept the original colour scheme...but to each their own!

 

I think I just wet myself

 

To be fully track worthy ala GT2 or GT3 a car should be as light as possible and so should lose all of the normally vital things that make a road car legal or road safe. The Scud, and even road spec GT3 replica's and some of these supercars tread either side of what should and could be realistic for both track and road use, but would still be pretty hopeless in a proper GT3 race setting due to the weight penalties. Which to an extent makes me think that instead of pining for something that is possibly impossible, whatabout either;

- A supercar race series, for cars of this ilk (throw in Pagani's and Koenigseggs to boost the numbers perhaps?) but they have to be kept absolutely stock. Perhaps even have to run on road spec tires?

- Whats wrong with keeping your car stock but adding the FXX/FXX-K/P1 GTR engine mods, if any? So you keep the compliant suspension, the road friendly steering, safety equipment and the other bits and bobs?

 

The CCGT is not a road car. It was a race car intended for FIA GT1.

Still don't see the point of a road legal P1 GTR when the P1 already exists.

 

IMO the last proper homologation road car special from Ferrari is the 360 CS. Cars after that have no real function other than being better and faster.

- the ACO has a new series of events coming up for super/hypercars. Although not a race, it includes track time. It's where the possibility of seeing a Zonda R, XX and GTR together on the same track will be highest.

- there is nothing wrong with that, except ruining what is an original car of a limited run, and making it more expensive and complicated to run.

 

My bad I thought it was a road car.

I see a point in a road legal gtr, 100kg + reduction in weight, 80+ hp ,stripped out interior and the aero design package. Its a hardcore track monster which would spend most of its time on track but it would be nice to be able to drive such a car to events and such.

 

I see your point. I would think there could be a road spec/track spec for the car then (Just like SCG 003). Still pointless as a drivers car for the road, but sure why not be able to move it around a little.

 

I think it's telling that both the road legal fxx and mc corse are for sale at Macari and have been for a while.

While it's wild and did make me fantasize at some point, it probably is a nightmare on the road.

 

Tried to do some research on the Macari FXX. At first I could only find pictures of it with the dealer plate, then I saw a video from the workshop where there is a regular british license plate laying on the rear lid. So it actually might be legitimately "100% road legal".

It would be interesting to know the extent of the modifications. At a quick glance I noticed different seats, modified rear view camera, brake and indicator lights, suspension lifter and the exhaust sounds somewhat muffled. Probably a whole lot of other things too. Perhaps the engine mapping and gearbox software has been re-calibrated to be friendlier on the road.

 

IMO, it gets to be a little ridiculous to try and convert a track car to a street legal car. They are not meant for the road, have no comforts of a road designed car, and have all sorts of shortcomings such as ride height, visibility from other vehicles as well as rear visibility out of the car.

Here is an extreme example of this absurdity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaKhFrZ3-vQ

 

Exactly. What do you do if you run into a speed bump? I don't think either of those cars could clear it in a non cringe inducing manner...

 

Lift system...these started life as road cars, it's less crazy than one might thing to make it road legal! And by the way Macari sold that FXX a while ago...it is not available anymore!

 

There are not that many technical similarites between an Enzo and FXX. Denoting the FXX as a street car-turned-racer is not very accurate. It is a true track car.

 

Do not agree 100% with what you are saying

 

It looks like porsche is still working on the sub 918/458 competitor
Porsche Working on Sub-918 Spyder Supercar

 

indeed. People need to understand that a competitioncar is a beast, way out of its natural habitat on the public road.

 

IMO, the moral of you can drive a race car on the road does not automatically allow for that little thing called enjoyment, you might be able to enjoy it but only if you have a decent dentist, chiropractor and shrink. You could alternatively sit in your washing machine on a decent cycle for the same level of heat and cold, vibration and general destruction of body parts.

It will be difficult to retain the level of driver friendliness in the P1 while also lightening it, for example if you wanted to lose 100kg from any of these cars, would you lose sound proofing, safety impact equipment or something in the engineering sense. Its perhaps academic but an interesting mind game. Because when you think about it the easiest way of losing weight would be to scrap the entertainment system but then some people love Sat-nav or the ability to listen to One Direction......... Any action will have an opposite reaction........

 

All i can say is, there are drivers, and then there are drivers. The latter are a rare breed

 

Drive to the track in your LaFerrari then get info your FXX K... Simple, no?

 

Or you could be part of the f1 client, and drive both your FXX K and your f1 car.

Im sure the FXX K would seem plushy after driving a f1 car

 

I love your logic Peter
I will do just that.

 

I love your logic Peter
I will do just that.

 

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