930 Turbo Carrera

I had a chance to buy a 77 930 with 50k back in 06. My mechanic said get an intercooled one and I bought one of the last 50 1979s. It was okay. Sold it and a 20k 91 turbo landed in my lap a week later. I didn't like it very much. I bought a high miles, modded 86 turbo to go with the 91 and loved that car! Sold the 91 in 09 and kept the 86 until early 2013. I sold the 86 because I rarely drove her (300 miles a year) and it was a shame to see her sit. I missed having a turbo, so I looked at an 07 with 16k and it didn't float my boat. Talked to a friend that had a 77 and bought it a week later. The 77 drives so much differently than my 86 or my 79, it is mind boggling. I should have bought the 77 from the start.

 

Hi Shady,
Nice that were able to catch up with a previous caretaker of your car and shared a beer or two chewing the fat.
I am not sure where you are going with this question though? It is a question in my mind that can never be answered accurately as there are numbers of these cars stashed away with owners who could care less about blurting out that they own them or could be bothered registering the information for others to see.
What is your definition of complete?
Sean.

 

You're absolutely correct, no body will ever know, there are many reasons why.

It seems there may have been a greater rate of attrition with these cars to most other comparable cars of the day?

More or less that half of them left?

 

For me the Porsches from the mid-seventies are the greatest to drive, giving the most fun. Still low weight, good power, and with the then-new low-profile tyres much better to drive than the early 911. My MY76 Turbo was such great car to drive, both in-town and high-speed, I really miss it. But most of these cars were never well-maintained when in second or third hand, only a old, used car which drove inferior. And there are very few people today who know to do it right. Its always fun to show someone, who only knows newer cars, how such a 40 years old beast can drive and handle.

-Peter
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Incredible to think Porsche got it right first time! I have also tried more modern turbos, 993 and 997, but they are plain dull compared to a well sorted 3.0 litre turbo. I have also owned a 2.4s chrome bumper car from 1972, it was nice to drive but lacked the power, and to my eyes the 3.0 litre turbo is a better looking car!

 

One for sale here......
Porsche 930 Turbo » 4Star Classics

 

I have some NOS parts
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Silver 1975 Turbo in the November 1975 Tour Auto. Fitted with Copper Red interior with McLaughlan tartan-dress, non-optioned A/C, optional Pirelli P7 tires, and sport seats with houndstooth fabric. The interior photo shows the red plastic inspection dot on the brake pedal and the correct small leather Porsche key fob. I’m not sure if the black sports seats are original (this ’75 Turbo has some mileage as evidenced by the rock-chipped front valence) but they are very cool although red houndstooth may go better with Copper Red.
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I wouldn't want get into that car with a hangover.
Phil

 

Great to see someone with experience behind the wheel on all the different 930/911 Turbo variations, including modified ones. What do you like about the 77 930 the best?

 

My 77 is much more nimble that all the other 930s I have had (all had stock suspension). I never checked the weights of the 77, 79 and 86, but the 77 just feels lighter than the others. That translates to its nimble feeling and tossability.

 

I can also vouch for that as well in relation to 77/79 euro standard spec.

 

Porsche released a 1976 color and B&W press photo of S-CE 4825 that did not appear in the U.S. or RoW brochures. S-CE 4825 had an interesting mix of RoW and U.S. features and in the press photo, it was equipped with H-4’s (vs. U.S. headlights & sugar scoops as in the 1976 brochure photos). Also note the correct 1976+ electric flag mirror but it has 1975 model year wiper blades fitted (1976 model year had a new flush blade design) and a 1975 speaker dash pad.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142817711-post1968.html

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/142819458-post1970.html
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Revisit post #2681 (p135) for another clue on 'nimble feel.' The Turbo Carrera is lighter but also slightly better weight distribution.

 

Have you got images to clarify this wiper change between 75 and 76 idart?

 

From what I recall the wipers were changed sometime later (e.g. 1978, or possibly later).

 

The sources I have indicate that 1976 was the change to the new style wiper blade but ‘76 Turbo owner’s please chime-in if I’m wrong and they have wiper blades with an exposed cap nut.

The previous owner of my 1975 Turbo replaced the wiper blades in the late-1990s (still have the receipt) but he saved the old blades and they came in a box full of exhaust parts, etc. It’s on my to-do list to re-install the originals but I have not gotten around to it yet.

I believe 1975 Turbos had the same wiper arms that were on 911s starting in 1971. In 1976, they had a cover piece that fit over the cap nut and were thicker and heavier than 1975 versions.

Here’s a photo that shows the 1976+ version currently installed on my car and the original 1975 exposed cap nut version (not installed).
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I have two early 76 US spec cars, 94 & 104 they both have the exposed acorn nut wiper arms. My 77 has the enclosed cap version.

Phil

 

FWIW a 76 weighs 160 kg or 350 lbs less than a 79, that is a hell of a lot of weight. You also have the shorter stroke 3.0 which is a little more rev happy than the 3.3. Very similar difference between a 2.2 vs a 2.4 S motor.
Phil

 

Weight difference between 1976 and 1979 - 232 lbs (brakes, different tail, intercooler, etc.). 309 lbs (1976 and 1986-1988) and 342 lbs (1976 and 1989).

930 weights (coupes)*
1975………….1140kg (2514 lbs)
1976-1977…1195kg (2634 lbs)
1978-1985…1300kg (2866 lbs)
1986-1988…1335kg (2943 lbs)
1989………….1350kg (2976 lbs)
*Porsche Technical Specification Manuals/Brochures – DIN curb weight

 

Are the wiper arms on your '76's with acorn nuts the narrow versions as in my photo? Perhaps the two references I have are wrong and the change occured in 1977.

 

I stand corrected - I pulled figures out the Porsche book by Barth, 232 lbs is still a considerable amount of weight.
Phil

 

I respect the opinions of the knowledgeable folks here and those who have posted on other forums who own both 3.0's and early 3.3's for what they have to say about the 3.0 930's lighter feel. Personally, I have just not driven enough of the two close enough in time, to say one way or the other. I'm not the expert on this, those who own them and have the opportunity to drive them regularly are.

However, I have never seen anyone substantiate that the weights Porsche published for the later 3.0's and early 3.3's compare apples to apples. Is the 232 pound difference accurate? Does anyone really know if the 930's that were weighed were setup identically or, if not, what the differences were?

The shop manual lists an early 3.3 intercooled motor (with muffler, dry) at 51 pounds above an early 3.0 (with air cleaner, dry). If these engines are configured similarly (both with air cleaners and mufflers) there is still another 181 pounds that needs to be accounted for. Where is the rest? Brakes, +35 pounds? Different tail, +25 pounds? Extended transaxle and heaver clutch pack +20 pounds? Only other difference are the pop-out windows on the 3.0's but that would likely favor the later cars. Still coming up about a hundred pounds off???

Help me, 230 vs. 130 pounds is a BIG difference.
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Given the first 400 where "all the same"?

Where might the first 120 or so 76 cars with a 930/50 engines fall weight wise?

 

+1 - I don't see all of that weight accounted in individual components. 930 weights are a bit of a mystery and my post was only a attempt to provide a summary based on specifications in Porsche brochures, manuals, etc.