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  1. LightGuy

    LightGuy Four Time F1 World Champ
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    This salvage ones back for sale
    Ferrari 360 Stradale | eBay


    Please note; seller has no time for questions as stated in the ad.
    Just please bid high and bid often ;)
     
  2. 360trev

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    Q. Does anyone here know if anyone is keeping track of the engine numbers matched to Chassis numbers on all the known Strad's?

    If not, at the very least the range of numbers of genuine Strad engines?

    The reason for asking is that I have just taken the plunge and purchased [unseen yet] what the vendor is claiming is a genuine Challenge Stradale engine with less than 10k miles on the clock. I'd like to verify these claims a bit more. Ofcourse I know that there where quite subtle bits and pieces done behind the scenes to the Strad engines. Modifications to the engine include:

    1. Optimization of the compression ratio [higher]
    > Blueprint Balanced Pistons [to 0.5% blueprint specs vs 2.0% on Modena]
    2. Optimization of the fluid dynamics through changes to
    > Gas Flowed Micro-finished Heads
    > Polished intake and exhaust ports and manifolds
    3. Reduced friction cylinder liners
    4. Repositioned valve springs

    (and then external to the engine)

    5. Specific optimized software, intake timing and ignition/throttle maps [ecu]
    6. Use of a new low-load loss larger airflow meters [f430/599 afm's]
    7. Reduced exhaust back pressure [racing style exhaust]
    -

    Q. Are there any easy ways to detect a CS engine vs stock Modena one apart from the carbon garnish and blue anodized pipe added?

    -T
     
  3. DM18

    DM18 F1 Rookie

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    exactly. i have rhd cs with 1,000kms, lightweight spec (radio delete, lexan side windows, full alcantara etc) and there is a lot of happiness in having an "as close to perfect as is possible" car in a model that you really like.
     
  4. stokpro

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    #6329 stokpro, Jan 19, 2015
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    Sale pending already on that 225k CS
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  5. stokpro

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    true dat
     
  6. stokpro

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    #6331 stokpro, Jan 20, 2015
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    SOLD!

    ...also expecting another CS to be sold within next few days according to an Fchatter that is buying it from an authorized dealer.
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  7. Jagbuff

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    Crazy prices...don't get the rationale behind such a (sudden) rise, having lived through the 90's I can't help but think Michael Jackson's chimpanzee...
     
  8. ThreeSixtyM

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    The USA buyers don't know how lucky they are. In the UK there are both LHD and RHD CS advertised at $300,000+. The question is, will even this appear cheap in 5 years?
     
  9. Fiorano57

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    How long have they been advertised at those prices and have any of them sold at300+K?
     
  10. ttn27

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    what is the mileage of these cars?
     
  11. GHG

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    If only we knew. We're thinking of selling ours for a Ford GT but wondering how much further up they will go...
     
  12. 134282

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    I didn't know this car had a salvage title until now - thank you. But that seller is awful: "Less than 400 in the entire world." Maybe less than 400 have a salvage title. And I don't know if that car's stripe is a factory stripe. I saw this car, 16 December 2010, a Chase Bank parking lot in Northridge, CA, and there was a carbon fiber air scoop at the top of the rear deck lid. The owner was an older gentleman, nice guy, seemed to be enjoying the car.

    Yes, of course - me!

    You'll need to check with the techxperts on how to definitively tell a CS engine apart from a 360 engine - I don't know my ass from my elbow when it comes to it comes to the technical stuff.

    But the numbers? Yeah, that's my bag. Did the seller give you a corresponding VIN or serial number with the engine number? It'd be nice to have, but if not, no big deal. I document engine numbers every change I get (on every Ferrari, not just Stradales). Post here or PM me, let me know what numbers you have, and I'll run 'em through the old database and see what pops out. At the very least, I can tell you if the engine number is within Stradale engine numbers.

    How did the seller tell you the engine number? A picture of the engine number printed on the car's warranty card? A picture of the engine number stamped into the block? Because there is at least one way, that I know of, to definitively discern a CS engine from a 360 engine: the engine type. The engine number is stamped into the block, and it's stamped right next to the engine type. Irrespective of the engine number, if the engine type is F131B, it's just a 360; but if the type that's cast into the block is F131F, then it's a CS engine.
     
  13. ThreeSixtyM

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    Roughly between 2000 and 8000 miles. The RHD market appears to be very strong at the moment, but very low mileage LHD are being offered at the same price point. Prices in the UK seem to have almost doubled in 18 months. If they'd tripled I still wouldn't sell...

    Here's a few examples

    Used Ferrari Challenge Stradale cars for sale with PistonHeads
     
  14. jet

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    Thanks for posting these. With such a large premium on low miles not many will be driven.
     
  15. roma1280

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    The silver car looks great
     
  16. Jagbuff

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    That is sad and defeats the whole purpose of the car...
     
  17. Fiorano57

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    It is sad but I bet the people who own these low mileage cars are very happy. Just think of all the Ford GTs with the Heritage Ed. paint job sitting around in garages under cover!! I can understand the CS low mileage cars a bunch more than I can the Ford GT with a different paint job fetching 500K,lol......
     
  18. supratime

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  19. FUNRARI

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    Wow, the Ferrari market really is red hot right now..., question is can it be sustained?
     
  20. rzundel

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    It's only just begun.
     
  21. Jagbuff

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    .. you are right, still even if the CS gets to $500K (wishful thinking) I'll continue to use it as a regular driver, life too short to miss out this type of experience :)
     
  22. F1 SML8R

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    Is this for real?

    2004 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale | Gooding & Company

    I've always found the low mileage collector item phenomena interesting. In my mind, the worst thing you can do to any car, is not drive it and/or run the engine on a regular basis. It's really quite simple, the longer it sits, the quicker things like seals, gaskets, etc. dry out and cause bigger problems. Also, fluids begin to break-down and contaminate as moisture builds up. The worst part, all of the preceding gets trumped by the fact that you don't get to feel what it's like to drive it as it was designed to be driven (i.e., on a curvy back road, track event, weekend road trip, etc.).
     
  23. FUNRARI

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    That is true but they do get the pleasure of watching their investment sky rocket in value which they probably find far more exciting than driving....
     
  24. Casino Square

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    It's the only modern era Ferrari that really channels the spirit of the F40. Built to a similar concept (albeit on a regular production 360 chassis), it combines 'lightweight' construction, competition handling, a raw feel that is a direct relation to the F40, all wrapped in the clean design beauty of the 360 shape. A rather limited production run also builds into that growing desirability. It will be interesting to see how prices of the model develop. I agree with the above poster, it would be a shame to deny yourself the enjoyment of driving such a wonderful car to simply watch it's value increase.
     

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