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Discussion in '308/328' started by jackgt, Jan 28, 2015.

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  1. jessup

    jessup Formula Junior

    Apr 26, 2014
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    Once I restored my engines tune and systems back to Factory, my Non Cat passed no problem. Only thing I changed after testing was remove smog pump and adjust base timing. No sweat.
     
  2. yvesolution

    yvesolution Karting

    Apr 26, 2010
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    Hi there,

    something I always asked myself, is if it is possible to transform an injected 308 to carburators?

    greetings

    yvy
     
  3. _Yves_

    _Yves_ Karting

    Oct 5, 2008
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    Understood, then it makes sense.
    I have no idea about the regulations in China, thay cannot even import used cars here...
    My GT4 is in France
     
  4. Martin308GTB

    Martin308GTB F1 Rookie

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    Don't they plan to loosen those regulations.
    I remember, that I have read something about this not long ago.
     
  5. Albert-LP

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    Me too: I heard dome voices that China will open to vintage cars. If that will happen, prices will go up even quicker. But they are just voices, I haven't any reliable source info about that: it could be a bull****

    ciao
     
  6. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Carbs are wonderfully analog in a cold digital world.
    And they make your garage smell better.
     
  7. godabitibi

    godabitibi F1 Veteran

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    Sure the FI is way better than carbs. I wouldn't want to return to carbs for my DD. And sorry but they are VERY reliable.

    But talking about an old collector car, easy decision: CARBS
     
  8. jackgt

    jackgt Formula Junior

    Jan 27, 2015
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    Hope I did get anyone worked up. It was just an observation 30+ years ago. We had 2 chassis dynos and did a lot of performance work. Had a lot of fun with just carbs and distributors while it lasted. I now know why the 2v cars go for more
     
  9. godabitibi

    godabitibi F1 Veteran

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    Now you know it's because we love them.
     
  10. Martin308GTB

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    #35 Martin308GTB, Jan 29, 2015
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    I agree with you both so much, that I made a display case for my completely rebuilt set of spare carbs, painted the base like a Steinway piano and put them into a display cabinet :)

    Unfortunately I have no air horns for them, because I never found a matching set of four original smooth ones. And the rough casted new ones are too expensive for what they are.... rough casted.

    Best Regards from Germany

    Martin
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  11. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    For an old collector car, I agree. I have carbs on my 356, and a great Porsche mechanic who keeps them in tune.
     
  12. Martin308GTB

    Martin308GTB F1 Rookie

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    Let a car with Bosch K-Jetronic sit for one year. Worse, in an environment, which is not dry as a bone. I have seen mundane K-Jetronic cars ( Volkswagen ), which were sitting for three months outside in the weather at dealers, which needed new injectors and - worst case - a new fuel distributor.
    These headaches and costs are in no way comparable with a carburettor rebuild.
    FI is o.k. for daily drivers, but not for extended periods of sitting in a garage.

    Some QV-owners can tell.


    Best Regards

    Martin
     
  13. HotShoe

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    Yes. There us a gentleman here who converted his Mondial to carbs and did a thread.
     
  14. Martin308GTB

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    Search for threads started by user SNJ5. A lot of stuff to read. Have fun :)

    Best Regards

    Martin
     
  15. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    328s are K-Jet and are reliable over the long term, even with lower mileage (US cars seem not to get driven as much as European ones.)

    Maybe it's drier in the US.
     
  16. Albert-LP

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    here we haven't many problems with 328: i did just 250 km last year with my 328 GTS so i do not start it often, but zero problem in almost one year.

    ciao
     
  17. RBV24961

    RBV24961 Formula Junior

    May 23, 2006
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    I just had mine rebuilt and setup to factory specs and the car has never ran better and oh what a sound!
     
  18. scowman

    scowman F1 Rookie

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    The value increase is due to the vintage of the car. FI cars are a generation in front of carbs and this less vintage. As our cars get older they are valued more as a collector item than a fancy modern sports car. The 308/328 is in the former category. Carbed 308 are a generation in front of FI 308/328 and this more valuable as a collector item.
     
  19. ForzaV12

    ForzaV12 Formula 3

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    I've owned both. I enjoy carbs on collector vehicles and have found them to work quite well when set up properly(whether its an old Holley of a quartet of Webers).
    All the same, my 308GTBi runs fantastic in all weather conditions and has never had an issue. As to power, a few ponies one way or another doesn't really matter with these cars as none of them could be considered fast anymore.
     
  20. VIZSLA

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    These days more often than not I'm the only car with a carb at local events so it's an exotic among exotics.
    And it's never thrown a code nor "limped Home".
    ;)
     
  21. haisoodewa

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    Power is a big reason, sound is a big reason, and for me the throttle response might be the biggest reason. Noticeably faster response than the CIS systems; you just pay for it with terrible milage (nbd).


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  22. dflett

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    So true. On a run this summer mine was the only car with carbs and also the only car spitting blue flames out the back when lifting at high rpm on the entry into hairpins, much to the delight of the Miata driver following me.

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    When I went shopping for a 308 a few years ago, I was only looking for a weber-equipped GTB. I'm not surprised to see the carb cars appreciating now.


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  23. Martin308GTB

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    And low rpm torque is a reason. Though they masked this flaw a little bit with different gear ratios on the FI cars.

    Best Regards
    Martin
     
  24. Bullfighter

    Bullfighter Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #49 Bullfighter, Jan 29, 2015
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    Road and Track Used Car Classic, US-spec 308s, with cats, from '78, '81 and '84.

    Listed fuel economy got cut off, but it was 15 mpg for the '78, 11.5 for the '81, and 16.0 for the QV.
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  25. anastasio

    anastasio Karting

    Dec 9, 2011
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    how many sealed bearings per weber carburator?, I will buy them in a heart beat.

    thanks for the great information
     

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