Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

For those of you wondering why Mac wasn't there, I think this Chris's response from twitter:

Fair play, McLaren tried really hard to get a P1 down to Portugal, but just couldn't do it. We had UK P1 time instead. Big film coming soon.
6:47am - 28 Jan 15

 

Don't forget that 0.2 seconds was not a cut and dry max result. There was still a lot of headroom left in 918 performance. I heard whispers that they actually did find a much bigger gap in 918's favor but somehow 'settled' on 0.2 sec as the 'official' number and claimed in print that they never had the opportunity to 'confirm' a larger delta. EVO merely conceded that 918 had a lot more to give. All the bs behind closed doors, all the delays in releasing the lap times and video. now we know why...it was to allow Mac to present themselves in a better light and send back a fully prepped Trofeo R shod machine.

Here's what cracks me up with Mac Cultists: P1 was supposed to be king of tracks (and street), any track. Anytime anywhere. But in every major publication 918 has come out on top. After P1 got shaded at Anglesey, cultists response was "918 only won by 0.2 sec with P1 using 'inferior' Corsa's. Conveniently pushing aside the fact that Mac developed P1 over many many miles on these tires, thrashed a gazillion laps, and were plenty confident that the car would have no equal. But after getting beat in every comparo, fanboys need excuse/scapegoat, therefore cry about the 'inferior' Corsa's. Fact: Stock vs Stock, as developed vs as developed , 918 shades P1 both in a straight line and on track.

during the EVO Anglesey controversy, we (a few of us at least) already knew the Trofeo R advantage was around 2 seconds given tracks a little over 1.5miles in length, but Mac Cultists absolutely would not have any of that, loudly proclaiming that Trofeo's are comparable to Cup2 on 918. More than laughable, absolutely delusional, simply pathetic.

Porsche's response to the whole fiasco was just fantastic. Equivalent to rolling their eyes. And here we are today. Last I heard the new track tire from Michelin is still in the pipeline, and would accompany 991 GT3 RS at some point. It will also be available for 918 (for those not aware, 991 RS will be shod with 20inch Frr and 21inch Rr just like 918). It will be the 'comparable' rubber to Trofeo R's. Mac Cultists and Porsche haters (many on this forum) won't like it.

As always, looking forward to more pics of your black beauty. keep the ownership impressions coming.

Off topic, I'm a big fan of the forthcoming NSX...love the exterior and interior design and the engineering kin to 918 despite using twin turbo V6 and one more e-motor. Unlike Mac and P1 (where e-system was a retrofit to already existing hardline chassis, engine, gearbox), NSX twin turbo mill was designed in greater concert with e-system and new gearbox for a much more homogenous delivery. It should be a massive performer, especially for 'only' 150k. I hear the 550hp 575lb ft. figures are very conservative, and the ceiling is very very high. Estimated weight of 3500-3600 lbs, pretty respectable. Can't wait to see the roadster version.

 

Wrong, The p1 set the track record on anglesey, too bad the 918 dosnt have a sticker tire option. And for the record, the video recorded timed lap of the p1 on trofeos was more of a joyride than a serious attempt. The car had a lot more in it.

On the street, best 60-130 i managed on a 918 was 5.2. Hot lap mode with the wing down(i found out you can actually lower it when driving in the car setup menu).

On the same day same road 918 managed a 5.3 while the p1 managed a 4.9 (this was in warmer weather)

I am pretty sure and say this with confidence, in a longer track the p1 with trofeos will be the faster car. Future publications will prove this.

Ps, the new nsx was the car of the show. Definately more exciting than the v6 gt40

 

60-130 times, hmm, what was the 0-60 or 0-100 times again?

 

didn't manage to vbox those. 0-60 the 918 gets the jump no doubt

The thing is 60-130 has been a benchmark because it is more indicative of real grunt.
When your on track you will be at those speeds. You won't stop at every corner and use launch control.

 

Bingo.

>8^)
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Drift,
these numbers were on a brand new 918, as you clearly stated (several km's from the showroom floor).
Other than that, there are many other pieces of the puzzle, which forms a fast lap.

 

Several hundred kms when I tested, and it was faster than other 918.

There are a lot of factors that come into play in a track your right, and 60-130 performance is one of those factors. It is way more ideal in the real world than 0-60

 

I changed the tyres in my f50 , it's now on new rubber . The car was faster than the la Ferrari , I am so surprised . Brilliant result for analogue supercars .

There was no la Ferrari present but I'm using a particular logic that seems to be acceptable

 

I see what you did there.

 

I was faster than you on my push bike, but don't want to release a video or a specific time because that would be irresponsible and dangerous

 

My 98 Subaru Impreza Turbo is faster then your F50, because its humming, popping, cracking make me FEEL so...

 

Don't forget, for evenly matched cars, he who gets to the 1st corner first from start usually wins.

As it stands, the P1 will get to the 1st corner after the 918 every time.

 

I recorded a great time in my F12, faster than the 918, but I am not going to release that, even if you ask nicely.

 

I want to see the LaF video and laptime at Anglesey...When is that going to be public????

 

Do you usually stop your car, line up and drag race after every corner on track?

Maybe even have Boyko and wtdoom drop the flags while your at it

 

It's amusing, some of us are still debating which is the faster car on the track, despite all the evidence that currently exist (EVO, TOP Gear proper, The Ring, etc.), and the No Shows from one particular manufacturer to prove it in additional H2H's (Motor Trend, Recent Chris Harris test, etc.).

Oh My. Certain things never change, I guess?

 

It's unfortunate for many Mclaren fan boys and Mclaren owners to accept the fact that their car might be a tad slower than the competition. This has always been the Mclaren motto from the get go, which is suppose to be "the fastest car in the world, on any race track." Then you add in all of the Mclaren market talk about 6.3X lap time around the N-ring, or the 6 secs faster than a GT3 race car.....LOL!

Personally, if the LaF went faster around the race track than my 918, would I get upset? No. Ferrari never went out and claimed "our car is the fastest car in the world, on any race track." Do I take pleasure in seeing the P1 getting beat on the race track occasionally by either the 918 or the LaF? Oh yes........because isn't it suppose to the be fastest car in the world?

 

sir, that was NOT a simple 'joyride' for P1 on Trofeo R. Mac was serious, the car was set up within an inch of its life with that rubber on the 'do over'. They ran multiple laps to get that fastest time. The performance window was very narrow, which was not surprising. Tires went away after only a few laps. 918 on those same Trofeo's would comfortably shade P1. Do you doubt that?

I'm calling it right now. When Porsche has their say in the matter with different shoes, Mac cultists and apologists are going to say the new Michelin track rubber is not the equivalent of Trofeo's...again saying P1 is only slower because of 'inferior' Pirelli Trofeo R vs new Michelin Cup 'X'. Just like 'Corsa's are way inferior to Cup2'. it will be the same excuse. You just can't win with Mac folks.

It's funny how "0-60" doesn't matter' on the race track always pops up. Implying 918 is one trick pony. "you don't do a standing start everywhere". Top Gear track test last year, test in Spain, P1 was beaten comfortably on track AND straight line, in-gear accel, braking, handling, grip...you name it, EVO test 918 shades P1 on road and track, Autocar 918 whips P1 lap time (but P1 fanboys will aways have that 1mile drag race to cuddle up to going to sleep).

This ridiculous idea that 'the only thing that matters is 60-130' as it is a 'true' indicator of speed in REAL LIFE and on Race track: it is simply that: ridiculous. Lap times are not done using standing-start protocol. despite 918 being ~250lbs heavier than P1, it is simply a better 'resolved' machine on the whole. Mac clearly underestimated the 'fat pig'. Balance, awd grip, torque, mechanical grip due to lower CG and rear steering etc. Put it this way, if laps began in standing-start fashion, 918 always gets to the first corner first, and the P1 will never get by after that. Mac boys should be jolly that lap times are measured in flying lap sense. In a track battle from standing start, P1 has zero chance.

 

per the 'standing start' mamba jahamba. Asked, and Answered.

 

you guys are funny. discount 918 all you want. Fact remains. it has superior corner entry, mid corner balance and vastly superior corner exit performance vs P1. Combine that with a ridiculous power band driven through again superior driveline and that end all be all '60-130' indicator falls by the wayside.

Again, lap times are not measured with standing starts. So where does the 918 find all that speed? If 60-130 is the indicator that truly matters, why is 918 quicker? It is quick on a 1.5 mile track, it is blistering on a 4 mile track. a 918 lowered to a 2.5 inch ride height with stiffer damping, running on Trofeo's, THAT would be scary on track (but like P1, useless on road).

 

The 918 is quite definitively quicker on the track than the P1. Here are all three head to head track times that I am aware of:


Nordschleife (factory times)
Porsche 6:57
McLaren 7:04

MIRA dry track (Autocar times)
Porsche 1:05.7
McLaren 1:06.8

Anglesey (Evo times)
Porsche 1:12.4
McLaren 1:12.6


The one area that McLaren is head and shoulders above Porsche, is in social media marketing. To the extent, that McLaren has some of its social media followers (with little track or automotive engineering knowledge of their own) still suggesting a 6:3x Nordschleife time.

 

it has to do with a mentality that is hugely pervasive in Mac world. Whenever 'they' fall short, they never acknowledge it, but instead grasp as straws, invent reasons and excuses, play with semantics, shift goalposts, etc, etc. With the P1, Mac set out to build the fastest car on road and track, and not only that, be the BEST car in every metric. Yes, they said that. They boasted that they had achieved that goal. Buffoons like Harris and Sutcliff drank the tonic and were instrumental in spreading the gospel. When the dust settled, things simply did not turn out the way it was penciled in by everyone (outside of Porsche circles, who always cautioned 'not so fast'). Err, yeah, seconds faster than a GT3 car...utterly utterly ludicrous.

 

Agreed.

This is especially true, when you throw in the various tire variances (918 air pressure, limited runs, etc.) and shenanigans on McLaren's behalf by various British testers.

Imagine, if Woking actually accepted some of these H2H's under presumably more fair minded journalist (such as Motor Trend at Laguna Seca), what the differences and loss totals would be?

You're right. Not many of us, would care much about this stuff, if it weren't for McLaren's loud arrogance, and some of their equally boisterous and arrogant respective fan boys and owners.

Otherwise it's just all fun, and a moment in time at a specific track with a specific vehicle. Nothing else.

But for others, it's presumably life or death, and reputation; though McLaren's appears afraid of future H2H's?

 

Bingo!

End the thread (which we know it won't)!! LOL

You said it all (especially the social media part). So many of these same people, repeat the same inane lack of facts on various social media platforms (such as a 6:30ish Ring time; 5G cornering, faster than a GT3 car, etc.) Ad Naseum. It's really scary, and/or amusing.

And then when that doesn't work (at least with the more informed Mac Cultist), they grasp for isolated straws, via convoluted wisdom, wishful thinking, or specific tightly controlled facts in it's favor. It's almost like, being disconnected from the overall reality, cause I exist in "Mac/Ron Dennis World"?