Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

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I wish, as always, it was lighter, but I really wouldn't have known what to throw away from it - it's perfect.

 

Come on owners, please post kerb weights (half tank, full tank, whatever, just quote please). Sure you've got different specifications but the meat is the same.

 

In the automobile magazine review of the laf and p1, here are their 1/4 mile times, does anyone know if they're manufacture or magazine timed?

Laferrari: ¼ Mile: 9.6 sec @ 157.0 mph
P1: ¼ Mile: 9.8 sec @ 148.9 mph

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/magazine/1503-hybrid-is-the-new-fast-ferrari-laferrari-vs-mclaren-p1/

 

wow...700 over pages and still arguments on which is the best.. Having said so, i'm really enjoying myself reading so much info and reviews. From technical to track experience.

 

157 mph in 9.6 sec is pretty serious for a street car.

 

I wonder if someone still think that NA V12 should be put into museum .....

 

don't be silly. it's not about adding more weight, it's about packaging of the weight that exists. 918 simply has better packaging of heavy components, that V8 is very compact and sits very low. A larger, taller, heavier V12 can't compete with that aspect. You want to know something that will make your head spin? If Porsche didn't care at all about electric only performance, and used comparable battery from Laferrari, 918 overall weight would only be roughly 50lbs heavier than Laferrari.

 

battery is not flat, but entire unit sits below wheel hub line. V8 is so compact and light, half of the engine is below wheel centerline, and nearly all of gearbox, entire rear e motor is below centerline.

CoG per factory numbers:

Laferrari: 14.8 inches,

918: 14 inches. It certainly goes a long way towards helping 918 exceed perceived expectations in performance.

 

Impressive packaging by Porsche. Wish they went the lighter battery, e-motor for performance only route taken by Ferrari. Electric only mode is for golf cars.

 

Without the biggest of the 3, batteries, 918 would have been no performer but a still heavy underpowered 4 wheel cart.
Sorry but it is 'only' 608 hp from IC engine. And it had been made extremely light, TO OFFSET the heavy electric system parts.

Slightly off topic, but some say that the new NSX can be the best hybrid package of the porsche-like e-hybrid idea.

 

I'm pretty sure that what he means is that by porsche being porsche, they would have made it so that instead of having batteries for mpg, they would have used a different type of battery for sheer performance.

 

Thanks for uploading.

Although time difference is not very telling, LaFerrari-s trap speed is impressive. Quite a difference here.

 

Porsche are not lame, they did their best to achieve their goals of their hybrid halo car. Any of the 3 manufacturers took a slightly different approach and their cars are based on a different philosophy. I'm having nothing against the 918 or its weight, if it's not bothering driver's perception. The same as potential turbo lag of p1. Their owners seemed to not spot such phenomena.

 

The fascination of 1/4 mile times for sports cars eludes me. There are street legal Toyota's that run the 1/4 mile under 8 seconds at 189 MPH and race versions that run 6.05 @ 241MPH. How fast sports cars can run lap after lap a track is what interests me but I do realize "Chacun a son gout...
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6.5@226mph 38min:40sec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQLic6tK_o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFO_VsKFjxE

 

You'd be surprised. It's strangely addictive rolling around in electric mode in the 918.

Creeping behind someone then suddenly twist the knob and fire up the loud engine is also fun.

Then there is the practical side of going in/out of my neighbourhood on electric mode so as not to disturb my neighbours.

 

that doesn't seem likely for LaF the launch must have been horrendous with that kind of trap speed, with perfect launch it would be doing low 9's.

even P1 time seems strange.

veyron supersport does something like 9.9 1/4 mile at 144MPH.

 

What do you mean?

 

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Correct. Porsche could still attain same power OUTPUT, but less range, with smaller and lighter battery. Current battery output is greater than 1hp per 1lb of battery wgt. That's greater than either unit in LaF or P1. My point was that even with an extra e motor and rear steering etc, 918 with different battery would weigh very close to LaF given same objective of performance only and no concern for electric only propulsion. Consider, 918 V8 is ~150lbs lighter than LaF V12. That's amazing. Ultimately, with cost and long term reliability not a concern, and performance the only objective, a Ultracapacitor/Lithium Ion hybrid would be best. that technology is coming along fast. Pure racers like Toyota TS040 use Capacitor tech.

 

wow...that certainly grabs your attention!

 

Only small rumors at this point, but something is cooking. Don't know if actual owners have heard anything similar; or at all. I'm only ever privy to what certain Porsche employees choose to share now and then. Having said that, certain rumors in the past have turned out to be true. So we'll have to wait and see. If there's anything near concrete, Whoopsy and Doom would definitely hear about it. I trust them 100%.

 

I agree with Porsche's decision to engineer it with electric only performance as part of the package. They still managed to create a speed warping machine in the process. The future is now. As for electric experience, besides golf carts, I've only been a passenger in a Tesla, and the sensation is just totally insane. The torque is soooo different from petrol engines. It's instant and unrelenting. My mind tells me it's not possible accelerating like that with no drama, no noise, eerie! So addicting, right up there with a friend's highly modified GTR

 

Insane you say?
Haha

http://youtu.be/LpaLgF1uLB8

 

The beauty of instant torque and a single speed transmission! Do that in my wife's Tesla all the time!