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Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by synergy, Aug 7, 2014.

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  1. Milanno

    Milanno Formula Junior

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    Thanx guys! Ingegnere made awesome job with sketches!

    I am not amazed by results either, but something like that could be reality :(
     
  2. Noblesse Oblige

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    Yes. I hope that we are not afflicted with the generic center display screen. The multifunction right TFT of the 458 is much better.
     
  3. 911C4S

    911C4S Formula Junior

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    i am sure not. the 458M will be positioned as rather soft-core, very fast and comfy, more GT -like but with incredible speed.
    at this point i am leaning towards speciale (or GT3 RS?), all can change on monday though.
    peter
     
  4. MisterMaranello

    MisterMaranello F1 Rookie

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    No, the seats are probably not happening. Just a moment of madness on my behalf... :)

    Will you be able to get a slot for a GT3 RS? Is your Speciale / 458M deposit refunable?

    I'm surprised by the lack of info that has filtered out from the previews so far. I usually hear a lot more. Looks like we really will have to wait until tuesday to get all the details, unless someone drops a bomb on monday.
     
  5. MisterMaranello

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    Call me crazy but I'm actually hoping for a center screen ala Cali T, which I also believe there will be. The 458 setup is outdated and unfriendly. Either they do some serious work on that software, or they take the sensible route and implement the new MMI system which offers CarPlay functionality etc.

    You may dislike the fact that there is a center screen, but I find it much more usable than a small multifunctional display.

    So why not have both? You can have dual-functionality on the TFT displays, so let's say you have a zoomed 3D view of the map right ahead of you, whilst you have a larger 2D overlay on the MMI screen. That would be really neat. Or, you can have performance readouts on both TFT displays and leave the navigation and audio on the center screen.

    Say you are at a track day and you have the track cameras and telemetry package. You can view your replays on the MMI screen and look at your data in the pits. Another great use for a larger and more usable unit. There are a lot more reasons why I'm positive to a center mounted MMI.
     
  6. Solid State

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    #1006 Solid State, Jan 31, 2015
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    Because that ultimately leads to this and a complete loss of identity:
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  7. Noblesse Oblige

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    Yes and yes, but in a raw sports car, convenience should get a backseat to sportiness. We can get along with the multifunction right TFT. Many people don't even use a nav system in the 458. OK for the Cali and the FF, maybe even the f12, but not a 458.

    I admit that I am sensitive to creeping generic-ness in Ferraris. We are going to be asked to swallow a TT engine in the pursuit of a few less grams per mile of beneficial CO2. Most every high performance car is going this route. Creeping generic-ness. Thankfully we still have the GT3 and Huracan.

    So yes, a center screen will be more convenient. A TT will get better fuel economy. But at a cost.
     
  8. kingjr9000

    kingjr9000 Formula 3

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    Or they could just do like the laf and huracan and have the nav and speedo in one screen.
     
  9. Milanno

    Milanno Formula Junior

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    For me, big screen on center is trademark for ordinary cars, and yes that is one of the things that bothers me on Porsche 991. When I am in 991 cabin I feel like I am in family sedan, not in sports car. I know things like big screen are useful, but my senses are absent in that environment. Thats why I cant wait to see GT3 RS since that awful screen will be absent.

    When I am in 458 cabin I feel like I am in true sports cars with one aim - to give me full driving pleasure without any multimedia distractions. I am not 458 owner, but for me, navigation on 458`s small screen seemed enough.
     
  10. 720

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    #1010 720, Jan 31, 2015
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    Enzo must be rolling over in his grave...all this unnecessary crapola in a Ferrari.
     
  11. MisterMaranello

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    No fan of that piece of tupperware, but not sure I'm following why a screen is a loss of identity?
     
  12. Noblesse Oblige

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    Yes. The one big turnoff in the GT3 is the interior. The 997 GT3 interior was appropriately sporty.
     
  13. Solid State

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    Good one! Tupperware.

    Milanno said it pretty good above. I think I would call it 'pedestrian'. A sports car dash should be analog. It completes the joy of the visceral engine sound and the sense of speed. Anything digital should be small and out of the way. IMO we need more mechanical gauges like the beautiful central tach.

    Adding screens leads to bigger screens and more screens. Millions upon millions of them are out there! If Ferrari buys into the convenience factor justification for putting an ugly screen on the dash then there is no argument against adding more features and bigger screens. A digital dash is stuck in time and has no identity. Eventually you get the Tupperware look. And with it comes all the crappy and costly software - no thanks.

    I stare at screens all day - except in my Ferrari. I like/love the F12 dash the way it is but would rather have fixed analog displays on the left for oil temp, water temp and oil pressure. The rest could be on the small display on the right of the tach. I also like the concept of the small black strip with the passenger display in it. You get the info but the display is hidden and it keeps the look timeless. I am serious enough about the non-central cheap screen deal that I would not buy another Ferrari again if it had one.
     
  14. MisterMaranello

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    #1014 MisterMaranello, Jan 31, 2015
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    Not trying to paint your arguments as any less valuable, but it's easy to forget that us here on FChat don't represent the majority of Ferrari buyers for new cars. For instance, most people will not care if it's a turbo or not. Most new car buyers want a user friendly well-equipped car with buttloads of technology and a design that is unmistakably a Ferrari. They want a car they can enjoy without it being a hassle. They aren't pedantic about facts, lineage or design cues like the deranged bunch we all are here. :)

    Just ask your dealer how many times a customer has asked him to open the hood and have a look at the engine before buying a car.

    Point is, Ferrari will cater to where the money is coming from. That's why we have the FF and California T. A few of you are probably already aware of this, but there are select dealers who form a part of a "consumer panel" for Ferrari where they hold meetings in Maranello and discuss what clients like and dislike, what they desire from future models etc. These meetings specifically resulted in the FF. Follow what the majority desire, and you'll have screens and things that purists may define as "un-Ferrari". That's business these days. If you don't like it; Ferrari has been building road cars since 1947, find something to suit your taste (and budget! ;) ).
     
  15. ingegnere

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    #1015 ingegnere, Jan 31, 2015
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    I'm not impressed by your reasoning either. You think they would present a car to customers and the press without having tested a complete, assembled car first? Maybe you can ssk your dealer if this is so or not.

    Historically, from the 430 on that I have been following, the prototypes running around just before official release of photos are almost always completed pre-production cars.

    If you took time to look at the latest pictures, you can see that all the panels that are covered up, from what you can see of them, are different. You can see that the rear fenders, where they abutt the backlight is changed, the vents on the side of the backlight are changed, the bumpers, the hood, the lights - all changed. The yellow one especially is complete - except for maybe wheels and mirrors.

    I would not bet my house on my guess for the front end and side scoop as per my sketch (done to generate some friendly banter and as I said, a guess) but I'm pretty sure what we SEE on the yellow car we will see on Tuesday.

    BTW, this was my guess for the 458 based on camo'd cars running around your namesake town:
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  16. ingegnere

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    Thank you - glad you appreciate. I enjoy participating (in a positive manner) in the excitement of a new model introduction. It's like Christmas and you're trying to guess whats in the box.

    Thanks, appreciate the nice words.
     
  17. 911C4S

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    i have signed a precontract for a GT3RS, which guarantees me a car. my ferrari deposit is refundable but it will be hard to sell me 458 italia without the benevolence of my ferrari dealer....
    peter
     
  18. Zaius

    Zaius Formula Junior

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    I always thought the simple tft screens worked fine in the Italia. I used the gps a lot and liked its simplicity, I hate when things are too fancy and complicated.
     
  19. arhimede

    arhimede Formula Junior

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    Hi guys. This is my contribution. 2 days left, but i can't helped not to draw

    https://flic.kr/p/qYs28Y

    I'm not very exact in drawing compared to the spy shots and its a bit messy beeing a fast sketch.
     
  20. 911C4S

    911C4S Formula Junior

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    new teaser on ferrari twitter: a photo of the centre of the steering wheel....boring
     
  21. isot

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    they could be to use stretched and deformed photos of the new car.... please stop using old and older photos. extremely boring
     
  22. MisterMaranello

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    I'm really enjoying and appreciating the amount of artistic talent we have on board in this thread at the moment, thanks for sharing guys.
     
  23. MisterMaranello

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    I wouldn't look much into it. The two previous photos are from the Speciale and Italia brochures.
     
  24. isot

    isot Formula 3

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    Ferrari‬ never does the same thing twice.

    what does it mean? this 458m is very different from the original?!
     

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