488 GTB (458 replacement)

Never? I find that hard to believe.

 

One of my first Ferrari was an F40, the tubi style exhaust, and as far as I remember, I was quite found of the noise and the fact that this car, produced in 1988 was in fact including a turbo engine!

Then I want for a "super car", an F40 LM GTE, still turbo engine, strait pipes, and quite funny to discover that the engine was still having a very nice noise, even for a turbo engine.

So gentlemen, what is the problem to discover that ferrari is going (back) for turbo engine?!

By the way, have a look on Underground racing modification, reliable and interresting on a 430 scuderia or a 458, easy to boost the engine at 700 hp or more, so rather that a complexe battery and electric integration on a LaFerrari I would prefer a perfect V12 with double turbo, less weight, more reliable (just imagine the battery nightmare in 5 or even 10 years!), nice torque....

Vive le turbo!

 

So was I.

Never (it's worth mentioning that my dealership is not a large volume distributor). Since I'm one of the few people from our FOC that get along with the dealership, we tend to chat about whats going on with Ferrari owners and buyers quite often.

 

The problem is post F40, we have a car that sounds much better, the 458 Italia.

The F40 sounded nice for 1987, no thanks but I much prefer the Italia exhaust note.

 

+1
but every year we have less good sounding cars, how Porsche predict soon almost all 911 will be turbocharged, sad news cuz GT3 sounds great

 

Here's some math for Speciale vs 488 comparisons in regards to drag reduction and downforce improvements.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/348-355-sponsored-bradan/476551-congratulations-f355-owners-3.html#post143707669

 

Why turbos on your V12? As they say in the states, there's no substitute for cubic inches.

I was just searching for a Weineck Cobra link to illustrate my statement and I've come across what I think was a massive bargain. Weineck's are like jewels and cost a fair bit when new, certainly A LOT (multiples) more than this one went for:
2005 Weineck Cobra 780 CUI Limited Edition | Paris 2014 | RM AUCTIONS

 

What I mean by show offs is people who only drive their cars past night clubs and cafes at 5mph every single saturday, and that's it. Or never drive them at all.
It's true that there are a lot of low milage Ferrari's for sale, but I think there is more to the story than just "show offs". The low milage cars are mostly a U.S thing afaik and the dealer operations there are ..questionable. But even so, the low milage cars for sale vs total cars sold aren't that high imo.

Then we have to accept that most people do not daily drive their supercars and even the biggest of car nuts can't drive their cars more than 1000miles/year for various reasons, climate, job, family etcetc.

As I said, we will probably never know. But I think (maybe it's mostly hope), that the number is low.

Being in the VAG family helps quite a lot. The Polo/Golf sales alone could cover a mass produced hypercar from Lamborghini with a co2 emission of a small oil tanker.

 

correct

 

This is one of the most sincere posts in a while. I think you are correct in voicing your real concerns especially as a current 458 owner. Truth is there are no answers to many of these until at least the car is test driven by you or someone you trust. Current owners and true enthusiasts may try to wait at least until Ferrari shows us more. You know losing that NA V8 is BIG deal. Its clearly the best part of a Ferrari in my book even if it goes like stink. Turbo Mac's and Porsches are fast too but there is that lag and sound issue. The Cali-T has it too and this car has the same engine. The 488 may be better but perhaps not like the car you already have.

 

Love the car. Buying one and then e spider too. Contacted dealer and told them to put me on the list. Now the hard part. Waiting....

Any guesses when the order book opens up for USA and when first wheels would touch down here?

 

In Europe people drive their supercars like crazy They see them as toys that should be trashed as much as possible, and in US people mostly see their supercars as investment and mostly they are worried about depreciation so they believe in low millage factor. Additional positive elements in Europe are Autobahn parts without speed limit and incredibly nice twisty roads in Italy, Austria, Germany and France, so people tend to organize long weekend trips...

 

I agree with the European approach. Drive em.

 

+1. If you don't use them they dry out. Just like people

 

Zing!

 

It may be the best turbo which is debatable but that doesn't mean it's the best V8.


Originally Posted by noone1 View Post
Will be interesting to see how many die hard emotive exhaust zealots keep singing the tune when the 488 finally arrives. I have a feeling that suddenly the turbo exhaust sound will be "something unique and special in it's own right," and "be an amazing emotional car," perhaps the "best turbo car ever."

 

Another excellent point. RPM, MPH/KPH, oil pressure, oil temp, water temp and maybe volts/amps (not necessary). Make them look like Swiss watch faces. Elegant. Precise. Add a few key lights and mechanical switches. Make them look expensive and technical. Wrap it all in choice of fine leather, woods, or machined steel. You can have the TFT retractable so you don't have to see it when not using other functions. Who wouldn't want that in a Ferrari?

 

I can guarantee they will be trouble free....









....for three years.

I've posted before about the reliability concerns of an exotic Italian TT. Something on an exotic that glows red/yellow hot while spinning at 20,000RPM then sits through the frigid cold soak of winter? See how fast it will be to sell to the third or later owner. Not an issue for the first-in first-out buyers (nothing is) but this has to be a new concern for the used market I would think.

 

Turbos don't last forever. This is nothing new. Turbo technology has improved over the last decade, however a rebuild at 75k-100k miles is not unusual. Ferrari owners won't see these miles anytime soon. However, excessive heat generated around the turbos will likely cause header failure... if Ferrari continues to use substandard header material.

 

I just feel like it´s too much. Everything about it is just too much.

Too many details, too many edges, gaps and metal sheets, the TFT display in front of you...

What scares me is that I´m 29 and already thinking in my head "Remember the good old days..." and for me that´s just the 90s - early 2000.

I have to admit I like how aggressive it appears. I´m a big fan of the CS, Scud and Speciale. The 488 GTB has the same appearance as one of these challenge/race cars even as a "stock" 1st gen mode.

In my opinion it just feels like Ferrari is trying too hard, when they are already the best.
I was hoping for a simpler and more pure Ferrari.

It better sound good....insanely good.

 

If .8s has an effect on your passing, you are doing something very dangerous...

 

AMG GT-S?

 

You've just described the Pagani

 

It's not about regulations on emissions, it's about time, money, and taxes. It's not a coincidence that the engine is a 3.9L. It's because taxes in China are massively higher on engine >=4L. 3.9L cuts a good chunk in taxes making the car more affordable at the very least maintaining their margins, possibly even increasing them. Add to the fact that they wanted to use the same platform as the 458 and probably didn't expect competition to push the power up so high. It's not a coincidence that the 488 marketing stats are all only slightly higher than the 650S. 207mph vs 208mph, 8.3s vs 8.4s 0-200, 650hp vs 660hp etc. Oh, and it is shared with other cars as well, reducing costs further.

It's a great engine, but to say they were forced by emissions is BS imo. Plenty of other ways to sell a high-power NA exotic with the same performance. How about lower the weight rather than bump the power?

As always, it's just about time and money. Make the most money in as little time as possible.

 

Or a 250GTO.