488 GTB (458 replacement)

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rpm red line starting at 8k, for a turbocharged, WOW, just 1k less than the 458. did anyone else notice that ?

 

And 50% more downforce w better weight distribution.

 

The Speciale unfortunately does sound much worse than an Italia and desperately needs a valved X-pipe of some description to bring it alive

 

Thanks for the link.

Hard to tell. Sounds quiet. Buuuut, you can still hear a staccato. Maybe a louder exhaust will bring that out more.

 

I'm not going to sugar coat this. The 488 doesn't sound like a Ferrari. Like they say in Texas, "I'm going to El Paso".

 

Why are people suddenly getting worked up over a video teaser from before the car was unveiled?

 

Back when Ferraris didn't have dual clutch, fancy traction control and turbochargers, the things that Ferrari guys always used to defend their decision was that their car had soul, character, and it wasn't defined by it's spec sheet or performance numbers.....but the fact that you rowed your gears through the gated shifter.

But then it got dual clutch and semi-auto trannys.....even still...a Ferrari was different, the character was in it's driving dynamics, it's sound, it's fury. It was in the at the limit feeling of a Ferrari, the fact that you had to harness it, drive it, that made it special. It wasn't a robot, like the GTR.

Then they started using fancy traction controls and launch controls, to optimize performance figures and track times (something Ferrari has an unhealthy obbsession with nowadays). And the one thing, the DEFINITIVE thing, that a Ferrari had, that nothing else did, that touched your soul, gave you goosebumps....was it's sound, it's N/A 9000 RPM wail, that nothing could replicate.

It's a shame, that now, it doesn't even have that. It sounds like a V8 musclecar, and there's nothing wrong with that, but that's not what made a Ferrari...a Ferrari. I can get a...wait for it....Z06 for that. The funny thing is, the most Ferrariish car in the last decade, was probably made by the Japanese.

I can't believe, that these Ferrari engineers listen to something that they've made in the past, and don't ask themselves....what the **** are we doing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qtd2yxvVR0

 

McLaren is 8500.

 

We have solid evidence that Ferrari was driven to turbocharging by government pressure on emissions and that they didn't like it either. But they have done the best they could and there are compensations: lots of mid range torque and better high altitude performance.

And I don't think that Ferrari has an "unhealthy obsession with track times." Wanna see obsession? Check out the Porsche-McLaren Nurburgring duel. I think that Ferrari understands that they sell "soul." Blame it on your government.

 

Little dramatic aren't we? Even Gordon Murray says the 458 is the best sports car in the world right now.

All of the driver aids can be disabled if you are man enough on all the modern Ferraris.

Yah the 360 CS, 430 scud, 458 and 458 speciale really lack soul. Have you driven any of them?

You don't even know what it really sounds like yet.

The sky is not falling; times are simply changing.

 

I'm sure you are a very smart guy and you know a lot more than me. but I know what I like. And I don't like the direction Ferrari is going (or being forced to go), I don't like turbos, I don't like the sound of the 488. And the fact that "times are simply changing" doesn't mean they are changing for the better. Look around.

 

Just wait until they don't make any noise at all. Right now the tesla model S is out accelerating everything on the road. Has more horsepower then this new 488 at 691, and it's a sedan.

The internal combustion engine powering cars is on it's way out. Old and archaic.

Once they develop a battery that will last much longer then a tank of gas, the sky is the limit performance wise.

 

Until there is a break thru in battery technology electric cars will remain a novelty. Alon Musk says he won't be profitable until 2020. To me an electric car is an appliance, I don't care how fast it is.

I have been buying Turbo 911's for many years. I am sure the 488 will be a desirable car, it just won't sound as good.

 

Give it a chance. Turbo motors aren't what they use to be. The response times they published appear to confirm this.

Plus, there will be no alternatives really; all of these car companies will suffer the same fate. It's a question of who can rise to the challenge without compromising the driving experience.

 

IMO don't see hi-performance cars going all electric - Hybridization Yes but not exclusively electric
Why have a 691 HP electric only motor when you can have 1000hp n a combo ?

 

I'm quit sure 1000hp is easier to produce with an electric motor. And instant torque. Freight trains aren't diesel electric for nothing. It's the battery tech that is holding it back.

 

I have owned and own both turbo and supercharged cars. I sold a Porsche Turbo S for a new Corvette Z-06. I left Mercedes after buying their last supercharged car and bought a Cadillac CTS-V a couple years ago . I own a 458 and made the decision to keep it. I want a car that is "comfortable" and "beautiful", as well as, fast, and the 458 coupe presently works for me. I have nothing against change, but for those of us who might have driven a three carburetor , manual "on the floor" Chevrolet or the like as their first car, "the times have changed". I presume that successive generations will be attracted more to a Tesla. Maybe "status" will be measured by those who get the first "driver-less" cars. I suspect in another decade what we discuss today will sound not only outdated but irrelevant Best

 

The largest machines that have been built such as those massive dump trucks, or even the nasa transport crawler, all electric to the wheels. Diesels run the generators and charges the batteries.

Package that in a smaller scale in a car...power, performance, what more could you possibly want?

 

does anybody other than me wonder (worry) if/when "big brother" will step in and decide how much HP is too much, how much performance is too much, etc.? The US government already won't allow US Speciales to have a button labeled "Launch" (PS no problemo, but Launch is not allowed), buts it's fine that cars have 600+ HP and go 200+ MPH...

 

I am pretty sure to keep my 458 as well, maybe going to an F12 at some point, but right now the engaging manual shift F430 and the NA-engine-state-of-the-art and artistic 458 make for the best of two worlds. It's a personal choice and I will understand why those who move to a 488 would do so.

 

So I bought a '15 911 TTS as my daily to compilment my '14 Italia and even though my TTS is faster it certainly lacks the "feel" of the Italia. Turbos are just different. Fast- yes but not nearly as emotional
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Turbocharged cars can sound awesome too.

Here is an F40. It has a V8 burble at lower revs but screams in the higher gears.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLr_vb9M9yk[/ame]

If this car does not sound emotional then ive never heard "emotion".

And if you really want to hear REAL V8 sound, visit a Top Fuel drag race.

 

That's one loud vacuum cleaner...

 

Simply put, no and no.

 

I have wondered the same for many years. Engine Power and speed are related and it is fair to say that too often , "speed kills". But I wonder if we are focusing on the right thing? For example, I suspect someone without proper training is as dangerous carrying a 22 pistol as Mac 10 sub machine gun. Best