Running diesel.
Are you kidding, the rear is fantastic and the best aspect of the car. I'd put the rear of the FF up against anything currently available.
No. I'm not kidding, but I don't disparage your opinion either. I think its valid- if you like the rear end then thats cool. Just for me, I don't appreciate the rear end treatment, but then, I am not a car designer. The FF is very fascinating for me and maybe one day I will join the family. Right now I need 4 doors as I am often driving kids around and the 2 doors just wouldn't work for me. Also we are going places where taking a Ferrari would not be socially acceptable. But someday perhaps... The more I look at these FF's the more I become open to the idea. I think this is kind of like Ferrari's SUV. Its quite clever.
Wasn't sure about it at first but it's grown on me and now, with the correct trim (that really makes a difference), I find it every bit as desirable as the F12 and 458. I'm probably on my own with that one, though! Lol!
I think desirability is a personal thing anyway so I don't think you're crazy. I can understand the appeal of the FF.
I hated the FF's styling when it first came out. I slowly warmed up to it and when the time comes to buy a new car, it was in a class of one, nothing comparable is on the market. I swallowed my pride and lived with it including the rear. To this date I am still on the fence about the tail styling but I realized when I am driving one, I cannot see the ass and that view, good or bad, is reserved for the car behind me, and if he doesn't like it, good luck trying to pass me to avoid that view.
I'm thinking it could benefit from some rear end implants. More cush for the push. And a bit more voluptuousness.
I think the execution was pretty spot on. I'll be happy with any FF update as long as it doesn't go the way of the Panamera. I know, it's a sedan, but it's a sedan that was created to keep their clientele in the family as well. Man is it ugly.
The FF, Panamera, and Rapide illustrate different approaches to creating high performance transport for 4 plus cargo. They are all within a couple of inches of each other in length, width, and height. The Rapide compromises accommodation room for the sake of styling. It is certainly successful but only children and small adults can sit comfortably in the rear. The Panamera is four doors and seems encumbered styling wise by the urge to show some 911 lineage. The FF is its own thing. It is not quite as accommodating in the rear as the Panamera but quite good. Much of the length is of course taken by the V12 which sits in back of the front axles. Styling wise to me it looks good from most angles, and spectacular in a few. In person it makes a strong presence statement that the others don't.
Who knows what we will see. Maybe tuned V8 from 488 GTB with 750 HP. Ferrari is all about sharing turbo engine between their models Additional air scoop? -> http://s18.postimg.org/xadwsuzop/Untitled_1.jpg
In my opinion changing engine during mid life upgrade will be too much. That they should do when new model is introduced. Facelifts are relatively low investment events. Just my 2 cents
Well, in this case, engine swap for (already developed) turbo-charged one is pretty low investment and you get huge amount of power, torque and lower emissions. Its obvious they will not make huge design adjustments (primarily ugly rear), so tuned turbo engine sounds like great upgrade for face-lift.
Agree. Add also the important fact that FF owners/enthusiasts bought the car for two reasons: 1. Its utility, and (get ready) 2. The V12 And did I mention the V12?
Not a specialist in any way. However, one would think that change of the engine is a big step. And not a chip one. Will require adjustment to the gearbox and famous FF front wheel drive system. Finally - why would they do it? In a few years the car is up for a full upgrade/new model. Lets recall 612 vs FF. Its almost like 4 seats car is a design from the scratch field for ferrari and next time model may be an entirely new thing. I have never expected that 612 successor will be FF...
IMO There is not going to be a M version of the FF - this is probably a mule carrying a V-8 for and all new car for 2017 model year The FF has been a slow seller so I think a total replacement is in the works with a much lower sticker price due to the V-8. This would help Ferrari garner more customers and work toward that 10k annual goal - Just conjecture and guess work on my part
Absolutely true - But the ugly underlying part is there is not enough of them buying to sustain the FF
If so I will be holding on to two wonderful NA engines, not one. But really this is one of the sillier jerky journalist rumors I have seen. You could fit nearly two 3.9 V8s under the hood of an FF. The FF is V12 unless and until a new model down-cylinders it.
It would make more sense if they added KERS to the FF, than engine replacement. They have already stated that V12's will not get turbo. It makes no sense for the FF to have V8.
Ferrari will make some radical changes because current selling numbers are shockingly low. These are selling numbers for FF in Europe: 2011 - 250; 2012 - 480; 2013 - 208; 2014 - 173. I agree with some members that usability and V12 are attractive to small niche of people who bought FF, but currently that niche is very small. Since Ferrari is profit-oriented company I am sure they will do whatever they can to increase that niche. Some things worth noting: - They are easily getting 750 HP from turbocharged V8 with lots of torque - They are closer to plan of getting CO2 emission down - Costs of production are going down, so they can cover all loses they had with FF back in history - 7yr mainteance and warranty will be much cheaper for them because they produce same parts for engines in Cali T, 488 GTB and FF. Service training is much cheaper, since education is focused on one engine. Best thing they could do is to throw V12 with KERS in FF, but we all know that aint happen. We all saw what happened to very important car, 458 successor - Ferrari picked easiest (read cheapest) way, not the best one. Are they going to make more effort in their lowest-selling model? I am not so sure.
