Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Same here in UK, my dealer has an open order for a car at 100Eu over the list price......no ones selling.....

 

According to the top gear report the lafs ride was the most compliant with a bit of body roll. Would that effect it's track time?

 

Does anyone have a real 60-180 mph time for any of these three?

 

This is not correct. Both vehicles achieved peak lap times in session 3 on one set of tires, after two tire pressure adjustments. You are diminishing the value of this thread and others by presenting your own wishful thinking masquerading as fact.

Jim is correct. Traction at high HP is a major challenge, and a lighter, lower-power track car would be a good choice at Laguna. Not that I mind 900-950hp, but it only comes into its own above 70mph in a straight line or ~85 when corners are in the mix.

 

From Autocar road tests:
Veyron SS 13.6 sec
McLaren P1 15.2 sec
Porsche 918 15.6 sec

Best of luck with the launch of you car!

Jon

 

Thanks! We're around P1 and 918 in a straight line with about 150kg of ballast and restricted HP which isn't too bad.

Around turns...

 

On same test track:

60-200mph
Veyron SS - 19.6s
P1 - 20.05s
918 - 26.75s

Sources:

Veyron SS
Autocar Road Test - Bugatti Veyron Super Sport | GermanCarForum

At 5:37 for 918 and P1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfLqa4vlmFI

 

Really? Which dealer? I called Bluegrass about the car that was shown on their site and on GTspeed as 'for sale' a few weeks ago:

"Hello

I am sorry to tell you that the 918 Spyder was ordered for a customer and he has taken possession of the car. It is not available.

Best regards,

Randy

Randy Biery
Porsche Brand Manager
(502) 445-6036 mobile
(502) 515-5841 direct
Blue Grass Motorsport
4720 Bowling Blvd | Louisville , KY 40207
"

I was offered several hundred K over msrp for my build by a reputable dealer in CT last week. They are seeking 918 for one of their clients.

Prove me wrong or stop the uninformed assertions.

 

long way to go

 

Night testing in the rain in Spain.

 

918 sitting on dealer lots? Riiiiight...

 

That is incorrect.

The "initial allocation" for P1 was 375 units and they sold out around the time the first customer cars were delivered. There was some talk, long before allocations were set, of making more but McLaren decided to err on the side of the caution and make only 375. I'm pretty sure they regret that now. They could have easily sold 500 P1s. It's an incredible and engaging car that feels alive and delights your senses. I drove about 85 miles in mine this afternoon and it was utterly fantastic.

Also the underlying gas engine from the P1 has been raced quite successfully by McLaren in the 12C GT3 and now the 650S GT3 which achieved a podium finish in it's first race - a 12-hour endurance race.

You can malign McLaren all you like but the truth is they make some pretty incredible cars and you do everyone reading this thread a disservice when you try to state your opinion as fact.

 

Yeah there's a few folks here who have it out for McLaren and don't seem to have a problem spreading inaccurate information to further their cause. That's a shame because McLaren makes cars for real enthusiasts - the kind of folks who love the intersection of performance, passion & technology and you would think would love to come to forums like these and talk about their cars.

And all this because McLaren dared to suggest they were making the fastest car back when they probably actually were. But the other guys delayed their cars and developed them further and possibly (I'm still not certain this is the case) surpassed the much smaller McLaren's stellar efforts. McLaren is the only one of the three who delivered their cars when they said they would and, even if they turn out to be 3rd of 3, the car is absolutely incredible and was a true game changer when it came out. It used to be people cheered for the gutsy little guy but it seems it's more cool here to be lined up on the side of giant multi-brand, multi-national, corporations instead.

In the meantime I drove the finished 918 and decided to buy the P1. I found the P1 to be a lot more fun to drive on road and track which is what McLaren said was their goal. But apparently if it doesn't destroy the 918 in some magazine test it's considered mission failed by the folks here who have lined up against McLaren for no valid reason. That's a shame. I'll bet if I let any of them behind the wheel of mine on a track they'd come away singing a completely different tune about how life changing the drive in the P1 was. They'd have a hard time wiping the smile from their faces and they'd forever have a little McLaren in their hearts. They'd understand why Chris Harris was so taken back by the P1. Heck a spirited road drive in my 650S might be enough to sway them because it's pretty damned awesome too.

 

12c basic structure, 12c basic engine. But if it puts a huge smile on your face, and you are clearly fine with shelling out 1.2 mil for a 12c derived machine, that's what matters I suppose. However, it nevertheless is shaded by the competition in the one area that it never saw coming, the race track. Porsche didn't need to 'develop' their car beyond an envelope that wasn't already built in, as the initial design is what has made 918 so formidable. Large wheels and tires, AWD, AWS, the lowest center of gravity by far...that's a big deal for mechanical grip, and not nearly as big a weight disadvantage as hyped by Mac cultists, + 'adequate' power. combination of these things gives the 'best car in the world' massive fits.

 

The only lightweight option that this particular 918 had is the magnesium wheels, which saves 30lbs from the standard car.

Just to set the record straight, the only "lightweight" option you can spec on a regular 918 is the magnesium wheels from the Weissach car. All of the other "exposed" carbon fiber options that you can order on the standard 918 does NOT save any additional weight because the standard components are already made out of carbon fiber, except it's painted not exposed.

The Weissach 918 is 90lbs lighter than the standard car, which means there is still 60lbs difference between this particular standard 918 and a Weissach 918. You also need to consider that the Weissach 918 has additional weight savings in key areas (i.e CFRP sway bar, lightweight braking system) which will help with handling. This is why based on Porsche simulation data, they know additional time could be had with a Weissach car. But that doesn't matter now because a standard 918 did the job anyways.

 

I think most of the "hatred" that people have for the P1 is not with the car itself, but rather, with the horrible (and sometimes arrogant) Mclaren marketing. Nobody, not even Ferrari, is stupid enough to make the claim that their car is the fastest in the world on any race track, 6 seconds faster than a GT3 race car, etc etc.

The N-Ring debacle was another major marketing disaster.

But I think the worst of it is, with each comparison (whether it's with the 918 or the LaFerrari) that the P1 loses against, the Mclaren fans comes out guns blazing defending their precious P1 at any cost (even when their arguments makes no sense). If you look on Rennlist or Fchat, people are pretty laid back about the 918 or the LaFerrari. That's the way it's suppose to be because neither Porsche or Ferrari, provided the same BS marketing that Mclaren did i.e. "Fastest car in the world." Porsche didn't even mention the term "supercar" in their initial press launch.

I don't blame the fans, but I do blame Mclaren marketing and the kool-aid they have been feeding them with.

 

mark, I will gladly accept that ride and drive and report back to the masses! 650s or p1 is fine with me

 

You can spin it all you want, but when I put my deposit down for the P1 I was told I will have 1 of 500 in the world and 1 of 10 in Canada. Point blank. There is no if/but/whatever confusion about the number. Not long after that, I got a call saying my P1 will be more valuable in the future as McLaren has decided to cut production to 375 worldwide.

In the end, the rubbing McLaren got is self-inflicting. It starts with Ron Dennis' big mouth, then the cultists start drawing conclusions based on numbers on paper alone and start egging mercilessly on the competition, particularly the 918 as most people perceived the king will be the LaFerrari and only the 2nd place is up for grabs. One reason why the Ferrari fans are so quiet, they have no need to say anything.

Internet never forgets. Everything said/written/posted are recorded forever. That's the ammo for both sides of the fan base.

Anyway now that the results are out and tallied, owners of the big 3 couldn't care less about who won and who come last. They each bought the car they like, magazine testing results have no bearing for their car choices. 918 owners are not gonna give a peep about their car coming 2nd in the hyper car race, same as the P1 owners who won't give a fxxk about the P1 coming 3rd. In their own mind, their car is #1 cause that's why they bought it in the first place.

But there are still a lot of bruised ego on the internet, a lot of the fans from the losing side simply can't let it go. In time they will come around.

I never trashed McLaren, even when the factory slighted me. I dearly missed my old 12C and I think it's a fantastic achievement that McLaren can stretch that platform all the way to almost besting the bespoke offering from Porsche and Ferrari.

I can't wait for their offering when they can make a grounds up bespoke one, I know it will be a very special car that I will really want.

 

+1
Spot on.
As I wrote in the past the snooty and the presumption of having the fastest car in the earth, does overshadow the excellent work done by Mclaren in the early years as sport car manufacturer.
Porsche engineering is immense, Mc fans should stop to find an excuse every time they loose.

Luque

 

I think a lot of this goes both ways. E.g. when the 918 lost by 1.2s at Anglesey Coastal, the Porsche fans jumped straight on their usual 'they cheated' bandwagon, just as they did with the 911 Turbo vs GTR embarassment back in 2008. Then they quickly hopped on the 'it was the tyres' bandwagon (again like 2008), when in reality there is no test you can do to compare bespoke tyres, because they're like modified cars, it depends on the modifications made. It will however be interesting to see the lateral g figures at Laguna Seca.

At least no McLaren fans gave accused Porsche of cheating in the test at Laguna Seca just because a factory crew turned up, even though Porsche fans spent a whole 3 months bleeting about how Porsche never even bother turning up at tests because they have complete confidence in their product after the Anglesey defeat.

If you look at all the aspects of this latest test it's actually a big plus for McLaren with many negatives for the 918 when you look at the number of myths busted, e.g.:

Myths dispelled at Laguna Seca:

1. The P1 can't run consistent laps because of the tyres - busted.

2. The P1's battery will run flat after a few laps - busted.

3. The 918 can lap consistently in HL mode - busted.

4. The Porsche will win over 10 laps - busted.

So many positives for the P1 and so many negatives for the 918 behind the headline times that's it's really a victory for the P1 in many respects.

 

It didn't.
Porsche won by 0.2 s, with roof down.
Porsche was not invited on the rematch several weeks later when McLaren tried to save face. Since it did not participate, it couldn't lose anything.

Big Plus for P1 and many negatives for 918? LOL

Let's get this straight...

The significantly more expensive P1, on stickier rubber, lost 0.8s to non Weissach 918 on Laguna Seca, a track which should, in theory, be more suited to P1. When 918 gets the option of the newer, stickier rubber from the GT3 RS, it will be even faster.

Oh, btw, Porsche will win over 10 laps... and over 30 laps, 100 laps and so on... It is the faster car of the two.

 

You must be someone we already know under another name (or from the McLaren Internet marketing team trying to explain it's latest lost), because what you're saying is not reputable.

You spout nonsense to me from ML website and twist the debacle with Evo to your taste, but don't know or check that the rumor that this was a lighter factory 918 was already debunked on that very same website!? But of course you didn't see that one. The more you say it, won't make it true. SMH/LOL

FYI: A passenger 918, should be much faster than than one of the finished prototypes Porsche's been dragging around the past year. Let's see if you know, or can figure out why?

And I agree with Unotaz. It's more McLaren marketing, and fans, with post like this. Face it. This has been a colossal failure to McLaren. And just shows what really happens, when you take the car out of England.

This was a standard 918, with a P1 on Trofeo's which changed their tires, and it still lost by almost a second. Just goes to show you how the British press was protecting that vehicle.

What happens, if they both run on one set of tires, using the standard tires, and the Porsche is a Weissach Pack edition in Non British hands?

A slaughter maybe?

Lastly: You truly don't understand how the Porsche battery system runs, and the advantage of Hot Lap, and why Porsche can have it.

SMH again like a wet dog.

No one minds criticism or a good debate. But it's these regurgitated McLaren minion marketing memes, which get tired, and alert you to the fact of you're not dealing with impartial observers who want to learn and/or accept facts.

No flame. Just the facts, and a astonished reaction.

 

This couldn't have been the times the first time Autocar tested the P1?

Remember, they tested it twice. You may have just given the latest one.

You may want to add those as well FWIW (since you mentioned the Veyron, which was tested years ago).

 

PS: Just saw LMAO's join date.

Listening to his arguments and ahem/cough sources, he's likely someone we know, and/or from the McLaren Internet Marketing team.

Nonetheless, carry on.

 

Yup Yup In a nutshell (thumbs up)!!

No issue with Mclaren, the P1, or even most of it's fans. Not at all.

Just the arrogance of the McLaren marketing team, transferred to it's fans, and/or marketing team members on the internet. Many, continue to spout inane nonsense while never agreeing on facts or actual events that don't paint the P1 in the best light.

Agreed, both Ferrari and especially Porsche fans (many Porsche Purist had disdain for the 918 based off what they were wrongfully "hearing" before the actual car was tested at The Ring Sept. 2013). Both fan bases were pretty reserved regarding the 918 and LaFe, and their respective Pre-Release hoopla.