Oh, I would love to ... What's the problem with parts, which are replaced within a few hours ( spoiler ) or minutes ( wheels ) ? As long as we have no embossed cavallinos in the headrests, all is fine. Best Regards Martin
I haven't seen a euro glass for 150k US Can you show me where you can get one today ? And resto of 150 maybe accurate on a good donor car, but a jig saw puzzle car will cost more than that 150. Plus waiting for a new of 12-24 months I think you are correct on the time line. I think the issue is you can't get a car for 150, the euro cars I see listed seem to be in the 250 euro range and higher - am I wrong ?
At the Naples show last Saturday there was someone handing out "want to buy" flyers. Yeah, the market's a bit hot.
On 6th February at the Artcurial auction in Paris the vetro car - basically a restoration project - went for EUR 154.960. Lot 106: Sale N° 2651 - Rétromobile 2015 by Artcurial Motorcars | Artcurial | Briest - Poulain - F. Tajan Best Regards Martin
Ok, so 155 euro is 200US - as we talk US prices here. Then we have to get the car here ( add that charge and the auction house fee ), this car is also far from an original donor , therefore the restoration will exceed the 150 mark just by the visual appearance. We have already easily hit 400k US , add in 24 months to restore ? Find correct parts ? And a reputable and competent restorer and the discussion and consultation and time during the process? That time has to have a value? Doesn't seem that 500 is off the mark if you want a brand new one now ? All things being equal, I think the Dino guys went through this a few years ago. Interesting times for sure!
I think you are correct. Not sure of current availability. I assumed this resto started ~1-2 years ago. You could still get glass cars in the US for 100-150k US at that time. 308s have been more expensive in Europe based on my observation. These are of course estimates - I would say they will vary by up to 30% up or down depending on the condition of the original car, people involved, materials, luck, market, etc. They are also likely assuming that it will continue to appreciate and are trying to "bake that in" to the price...
The ad says it took 5 YEARS to finish. I saw this car and Rock actually drives it to our FCA events every once and a while. Good for him. He's the shoemaker with the best shoes....LOL!
What ever happened to the guys around here that were always preaching that the 308's were entry-level throw away cars and to "drive em like you stole em " don't seem to post much anymore..
No doubt! Got a little aroused looking at the rear tail lights. Little embarrassed to admit but true..
Don't know about the throwaway bit but some of us are still posting, just not on the price threads. As the prices rise some will cash out and over time there'll be fewer of the DYIers but let's hope that not too many 308s end up in garages too precious to use.
It shouldn't matter IMO. You can't assume the worst and work backwards from that. New Ferraris still cost a lot more than 308s. Drive them all hard! Keep them running.
What?? The message that I took from it was, drive them into the ground and then grab another. Not sure what your point is with "New Ferraris cost more than 308s"?
I bet ya, those who thinks they're entry level and has thrown away their 308, are probably kicking them selves in the butt now.
There were those who could afford to buy but not maintain but I doubt that anyone who has driven one ever thought of it as "disposable".
Yea, this bubble thing is kind of a buzz kill for us. I know everyone is different, but for me a "sports" car is one that you drive, break, fix, drive, break, fix. Although for me it usually is drive, break, fix, break, fix, break, break, fix, drive...(you get the picture). I don't see much "sport" in collecting, washing, showing, but hey, I respect it. So now I see this bubble as nothing but a higher price for the next engine I break, and higher insurance costs. Wheeee. Oh, well. My kids will see the benefit I hope.....
I've been reading this forum for several years. just purchased my first Ferrari - Mondial. I just don't get those that don't drive their cars (if they are functional). These are sports cars. To me, that says that they were meant to be driven - "energetically". Life is too short not to enjoy and have fun. "Throw-away"? Don't get that either. All these cars can provide huge entertainment. Throw that away? Half the fun is fixing them (for me anyway). Even for the mechanically disadvantaged - these cars aren't that complex. And with the support system of other owners and this forum, fixing them becomes not only fun, but something to be proud of. Sid
Congrats on taking 10+ years to be right....don't break your arm patting yourself on the back. The rest of us enjoyed driving our cars, and still do. And we see a lot of prices, but have we confirmed any real sells of your average 308 for over $100K yet? Not the garage queen or restored car, I mean what everyone here drives around 2-3k a year?
No !! We have a lot of money talk and almost one single thread about each ad of vetro or restored 308 cars here from folks with a vetro car in their profile, which isn't confirmed as well. Best Regards Martin
Not really. If anything, it's easier to justify spending money fixing stuff when prices are up. I couldn't stomach spending $15K on a major-plus-extras on a $50K 355, but spending $500/year on the Porsche is easy, and now 308/328s will be worth maintaining because you might actually get your money back at some point. I see a silver lining in this.
