Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

LMFAO: a believer to end. Flat out wrong on so many things. Need to be waaaaaay more informed on 918 before 'debating'. This is all becoming too much. BTW, what kind of handle is "LMFAO"? What are we, 14yrs old? Or is it because you have P1 in your garage?


SCG003... the wait is almost over. It's just sick.

 

Lots of dials and buttons and switches on that dash!
Who's who and what's what and how big is it going to get...who is writing and then printing the owner's manual???

 

Very cool! Im sad you broke the picture trend though! Hahaha. I will get in touch for one once I win the next big powerball.

 

Trofeo R are not bespoke for P1 until I have a reliable source.
Your examples are wrong and totally biased to cover the P1 débâcle
PZCS MC1 is the tire that McLaren developed for the P1 able to pull an instantaneus peak of 2,15g as stated in TopGear comparo test in Castelloli.
All this babbling about pattern or wet lap results to, show the MPSC2 is a more extreme tire are only pathetic
SportAuto wet handling test lap records - FastestLaps.com
The best lap done by a GT3 in MPSC+ almost 20 se faster than a 911 Carrera S wearing PZero (Not Corsa). And than Genius ?
Accusation of cheating ? Ehi I'm just reporting facts
Does the 650S tested by Sport Auto have F/R cambers into nominal range ?
The answer is NO.
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Seen a few customer P1's weighing in 1540-1550kg with a full tank. Ben has weighed his Laferrari and reports it weighs less than 1600kg with a full tank, full figures to come. Not seen any customer 918's weighed but I think the WP factory car Sport Auto weighed was around 1640kg, not sure if that was with a full tank or not.

 

From McLaren life
<< The first assumption was that P1's Trofeo R's were significantly stickier tires than the 918's MPSC2s. The data does not support that conclusion; in fact, it says the opposite, at least with the unmodified street suspension settings on my P1. The 918 on its MPSC2's has a grip advantage in locations where aero is not in play>>

Bingo.

 

Doing A LOT of talking on Cult Life, trying to reassure ye faithful. Barely a pip here. I expected a much tougher chin on Ben. That is total BS, big pile of stinky BS!!! the 918 has grip advantage because it has much better static balance (a much lower CoG, + wide and tall tires) , it brakes harder, isn't THAT much heavier, combined with the ability to put down the power the other car can only dream of.

Ben was very confident that he himself driving in the P1 with Trofeo's would beat 918 driven by a pro. Wrong! Not even close. Pro in both cars? We all know what happened there. Now the excuses are rolling in, all this BS to claw back, to 'explain' why P1 lost even on track shoes. The 'data' does not support the conclusion. Bloody hell, I never thought Ben would go this far in trying to explain why his 'pride and joy' track monster isn't one after all. It's not the 'tires' that has the grip advantage it's the dang chassis and drivetrain. Excuses are getting lower and lower and lower. Yet, this is not surprising...if you've been building up the hype in your own head, your 1.2mil machine should live up to it...but it didn't, now it's time to scratch head, and come up with excuses. And how did the weight for LaF work out? 3075lbs? Keep dreaming. 3400lbs. If this is what it has come down to, simple solution Ben, put MPSC2's on the P1 and have a go. Now how confident are ya. This is what the 'new' conclusion is now. Track dedicated, zero tire life tread compound, and specific internal construction, is slower and less durable that the serviceable treadlife, low rolling resistance, street tire? Pirelli needs to close up show now.

Unbelievable. I don't care how you try to spin it. This is just another massive case of 'OOPS!" I was overconfident and am now dumbfounded. ..."continues to scratch head". Porsche laughing.

 

Im pretty sure that LF will be a winer over all.
And can't wait for a real performance test with :
P1
918
KS

 

I was just pointing out that the customer P1 have no alignment modification and I was right
Copy and paste my comment from another forum

<<The 991 GT3 use the same bespoke MPSC2 N0 of the 918 spyder, just in difference
sizes and load factor. The facts the 918 is able to turn faster than a GT3 (1,65g vs 1,45g) is simply due to the fact it make works better the tires thanks to weight distribution, low center of gravity and more sophisticated suspension.>>

Cheers

Luque

 

sorry mate, it wasn't all directed at you. you have great points.

 

Can you send me a link to the ML thread with the H2H? I can't find the 1.29 lap for the 918. BTW I do agree that the 918 is a superior car.

Thanks!

 

Possibly the same tone Ron Dennis used when he did his 'bragging'.


Anyway, this a quote that someone at McLaren should learn:

"No matter how tall a mountain is, there will always be a taller one somewhere"

The P1 in Race mode is suppose to be it's ace in it's sleeve when on track, but the SCG003 is gonna tear it a new one every second on the track.

 

With every race car we throw in this handy in pit cooler.

Road cars get fans...
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Cockpit easily accomidates two mechanics...

(Note original P4 cockpit air vent)
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Jim, are you going to bring the car to Monterey/Carmel this summer?

 

SCG 003C to Villa d'Este and Goodwood FOS

J6 to Pebble.
0854 to Quail

 

@Jim
Road engine will be NA? I hope for sound symphony like in Zonda

 

Road engine can be anything one wants.

We design, build and Engineer to suit.

Race TT sounds like a NA deep and powerful V8

 

even supercharged W12?

 

Because of modular construction we can fit anything one wants (and can pay for).

We are investigating a TT V12 as well.

Our hope remains to sell enough cars to continue racing and develop an LMP 1 for 2017.

True.

 

Another P1 measured 1538kg, neither is the lightest spec. possible.

Vague at-limit handling traits, not worth the additional weight.

MT has evidence of it. P1 maintains speed consistently within 0.3s of its best lap, the sum of its best sectors over those 15 laps being faster than the 918's best lap. P1 is down 1s on its best by lap 2, 1.5s (i.e. slower by lap 3) and 2s by lap 4. This is the same thing track day fans found with the early R35 Nissan GTR. Very fast on some short magazine laps, but couldn't maintain pace on track days and slower on faster longer tracks.

What the hell does that have to do with the point I made? The P1 regens from engine under braking or any other non-WOT instant. The 918 needs the brake regen because it doesn't have as much excess power.

Never implemented it because it's pointless for track days and only useful for magazine PR stunts.

The 918 is the bunny that didn't use Duracel.

 

Care to mention the things I'm wrong on?

 

your own V12? or maybe borrowed like W12 from Bentley? maybe this V12 AMG from Huayra?

 

We are looking at a lot of engines and are also looking into designing and building our own from the ground up.

 

Is McLaren a reliable source? JB of Evo also said so on Twitter.

Nope they're completely correct you just don't like them.

That's called high speed downforce, very little to do with the tyres. The Z06 pulled higher g than the Nismo GTR in most low speed corners but the GTR was better in high speed corners.

What does that show, the 918 is AWD, which offers way better traction in the wet, yet still with MPSC2 it was slower than the RWD P1 in the wet!

I bet if most people checked their car it wouldn't be in the nominal range. Repeatedly lapping tracks, hitting bumps, kerbs etc. My German isn't good but it's not even symmetrical left to right. The figures are honestly too random to prove anything. However >1s faster on a 90s track with the same driver and tyres is quite some going. When McLaren did the same with a change of tyres, it was accused of cheating.

Let's report more facts, like the roof the 918 used on the Nordschleife.