Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

One interesting problem we're working through. Turbos get cooking hot. We have to shield their heat from our CF tub. Remember our entire tub is CF not a CF center section with metal front and rear subframes. You can't box the turbos in a heat shield box as they then get too hot. This is what testing teaches. We're now ducting air into the turbo shields, through the shields and out,not near the tub. These are long days. We will be back on the track testing this new solution far into the night. We will continue to fight no matter what happens and you're quite right, we will not blame our tires if we don't beat Stephen's NS time.


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Cool - congratulations on another new model w/classic vents!

 

@scuderia980

You had better not mentioned Lockheed-Martin's F35 scam.

For the last few years reports have been showing that F35 is a disaster. Technological and financial. And it still goes on.

F-35 stealth jet 'will not be able to fire its guns until 2019' - Telegraph
Not to mention:
Why the F-35 is a sitting duck for the Flankers | Russia & India Report

And now, back to the cars ...

 

Napolis, congratulations to you and Ms. Veronica for the arrival of the new member of the SCG team.

 

Thanks!

 

that is a very interesting problem to have. the turbo shielding as designed aren't enough? applying gold/ceramic shielding to the CF subframe areas that need it isn't feasible? keen to know the solution you find.

 

Much better this morning. We're taking air from NACA duct into, onto,and through the turbos. All is good.

Today we'll run full 6 Hour race simulation with pit stops.

The P2's arrive this weekend.

We'll put in a fresh engine as this one has 75 hours and could use a rebuild and then tire tests next week.

We'll then wipe her off and take her to Geneva with one of her sisters SCG 003 Stradale.

 

Beautiful! Very sweet! Congratulations to your family.

 

Airflow. Something that could've continued to be a burning issue (badabing!) quickly resolved. Nice. I will keep an eye out for the latest on the 003 thread. Keep on keepin' on. Geneva, right around the corner...Oh, forgot to ask, what color for 003 Stradale at Geneva? Or is that a surprise?

 

Reveal week from tommorow.

 

RE: Zee Germans.

I'll just pour a little fuel on the fire.

Just a little side note.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa08mXthOaQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4AeUQVua-I

Mclaren P1

Being quite generous with start of straight - 0:23.



End of straight - 0:44.



Porsche 918

Start of straight (much nearer here) - 7:13.



End of straight - 7:37.



I've just pointed out that an amateur driver in the P1, whilst being 6kph slower than Chris Goodwin on Dottinger Hohe, can still pull 4-5 Laguna Seca's worth of time difference on Marc Lieb just between the bridges whilst lifting before the last bridge for traffic.

In fact he was a second faster than Marc Lieb even from the exit of the corner before the corner that leads onto Dottinger. Look for the steps at the right side of track at 0:02 and 6:54 respectively. And people don't think Chris Goodwin beat Marc Lieb.

 

Since you posted the same argument on Mclarenlife under another name, here is the same reply I wrote:

Mycroft/Emu/LMFAO,
You are truly hilarious with another one of your unscientific arguments. So basically, you are saying that by looking at the straight line speed difference between an amateur racer in his P1 (which achieved a higher top speed down the straight) vs. Marc Lieb in the 918, you conclude the P1 (with Chris Goodwin driving) must be faster than the 918 (with Marc Lieb)?

So using your logic, if you look at the straight line speed difference between the Sport Auto Supertest of the 918, where their driver hit an indicated 317km/h on the straight, which is 32km/h more than Marc Lieb's record 6:57 lap (Marc's 918 only hit 285km/h because he was in Sport mode), shouldn't the Sport Auto test result in a faster lap time???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUp_Om_s78k&ab_channel=sportauto

But wait.......Sport Auto's test only resulted in a 7:13 lap time?! Oh no, this clearly can't be right.......32km/h difference on the straights and the lap time is.....SLOWER?

http://www.rennteam.com/forum/page1.html;jsessionid=9qvsyvmx2ym2omnj86kiz6bn?vs=0

As a Mclaren owner, you are not helping the Mclaren brand/image with this kind of logic and arguments.

 

Thanks Jim for the updates. All the other cr@p being discussed in this thread is beyond belief even for magazine (w@nk) speed tests, but you are doing it real.
Pete

 

I'm in awe of lmfao's logic and powers of deduction

 

Here's the reply:

Mark's was in Sport mode and only hit 285kph??? LMFAO! Good try. What was he? Blind? Any sighted, able-bodied person would be less than 32kph off a pro-driver on Dottinger, even if they drove it whilst sipping a Latte.

No, it's still a second slower even though that one was clearly with the wind and against a non-pro P1 driver (Chris Goodwin was 6kph faster - 330kph vs 324kph peak - and wasn't lifting before the last bridge for traffic), hence why he's 2s slower 3:46 - 4:00 vs 1:50 - 2:02 in previous video at opposite side of track, nice try though. It's no wonder that one did 200mph in 25-26s in their test - with the wind, not with wind - 29s, makes sense.

It's good to know that 5 Laguna Seca's worth of time delta can be wiped out on one straight isn't it.

Here's the thread - 324kph.
P1 at the Ring.. - McLaren Life

330kph.
McLaren P1?s Nürburgring lap time - BBC Top Gear

This is what happens with an ungeared front e-motor that kicks out at 165mph and HL mode on a long fast track... granny's false teeth come out.

 

Keep going LMFAO, I need my daily dose of entertainment, I already have my pop corns ready.

 

Very simple.

1. The AMS test was done on an open track, there were lots of traffic compared to the Porsche test, which was on a closed track. This means the AMS driver was not pushing 100%, which can be seen in the amount of battery reserve on the back straight. Marc Lieb's record lap had the battery down to 15% prior to hitting the back straight because he was pushing everywhere else.

2. AMS driver was in Hot Lap mode on the back straight with plenty of battery power. Marc Lieb was in Sport Mode, which only relies on engine power alone because the battery level is below 20%. If you didn't know, Hot Lap mode allows the battery to be depleted 100%, but under Race or Sport Mode, the car will refuse to engage the electric motors if the battery level is below 20% (this is similar to the P1 design as well).

3. Since Mark Lieb was in Sport Mode, it resulted in a much lower top speed on the straight. But this also proves my point, not having the highest top speed doesn't mean the lap time is slow. Marc was clearly quicker everywhere else, and that's where the 16s difference in lap time comes from (6:57 vs. 7:13).

What's your point? So the P1 driven by the amateur racer is 2seconds faster than the 918 driven by Marc Lieb. It doesn't prove the P1 is faster than the 918 at the Ring in terms of lap times.

If you are arguing that the P1 is faster than the 918 in higher speed acceleration, then I completely agree with you. I have driven both cars numerous times and the P1 feels faster from 120mph and above.

If you are wondering why Marc Lieb was in Sport Mode on the straight, well, I heard the reasons from Porsche but I won't get into here because there is no point of adding more fuel to the fire. All I can say is wait for the new Michelin track biased tires to come out with the 991 GT3RS and wait for the 918 to go out again

You got any more arguments about the P1's N-Ring lap time?

 

BS.

What? Traffic on Dottinger Hohe? Where?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUp_Om_s78k

So was Marc Lieb, hence why he fiddled the wheel at that point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4AeUQVua-I

Check the videos between 1:51 and 2:03 and 3:46 and 4:00 respectively. Sport Auto were faster purely because the wind was behind them on Dottinger and against them on the opposite side of the track. Hence a 1-2s difference on either side.

Woah, that's progress many people won't even admit this.

I'm just pointing out that whilst the 918 can claw some time on the slow corners, on the fast sections like Dottinger, Kesselchen and Schwedenkreuz, the P1 claws it back in spades, not to mention other faster corners where downforce will play a part. Just something for doubters to think on.

Even from the exit of Schwalbenschwanz to the bridge, MB is 2s faster than Lieb and the same as HvS, all on PZCS I believe. Think on that. Non-pro driver on a track day in traffic, 6kph slower peak than Chris Goodwin, but still faster than 2 pros in 918 WPs with HL burst mode on that section... on PZCS tyres...

...but on autocross tracks the 918 is great.

 

Well it doesn't manage 2.15g on slow corners. Might be the one at 1:43 or a combination of braking and cornering??? The Laguna Seca telemetry shows that a) The 918 has a higher corner speed and b) The cars don't make 2.15g lateral loads on load speed bends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23vGmybEIK8

 

All this measurbating reminds me of sports, specifically fans of the losing teams. Pick any team sport, say American Football, and the losing team fans often show how their team was better in terms of time of possession, better quarterback completion ratios, more total yards, etc. But at the end of the day they still lost.

 

Dude, don't pop his bubble man. We all enjoying the amusement here. He is spending hours everyday just so he can come out with 'facts' to entertain us.

 

I told you, that we have an upgraded version of Peloton here, several pages ago...
I start to think, that McLaren have opened "Teen PR propaganda Academy" in one of the schools around Woking?

 

Funny!!