Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Some of your responses are so pathetic that it doesn't deserve my time to counter them.

Doubters? Why do you think there are many people who doubt the P1 Ring time? Oh that's right...because IT DOESN'T HAVE ONE?!

Maybe we should wait for a gracious P1 owner to take his own car to the N-Ring and compare head to head against a 918, throw a non-biased race car driver in them and set a best lap time on each car.

Wait, this sounds familiar.......oh that's right, someone already did that at Laguna Seca and guess how that turned out?

 

Exactomundo!!! Didn't work out according to expectations that were in NO DOUBT heading into that battle. Here and now, Mr. LMFAO is starting to lose steam. Was nice and spritely delusional until very recently. Sigh

 

Just like the 918 did at Anglesey, by 1.2s. And loses 4s just between the gantry and bridge on the Nordscheilfe making these 'few tenths', 1 lap, HL mode wins trivial.

How else would they combat the Porsche Youth movement?

That's the problem though, on Laguna Seca a factory 918 managed to claw out 0.8s on a customer car for just one lap in HL mode (with a driver who'd never driven the P1 before and had driven the 918 twice before), then the batteries were flat and it was slower. A P1 on a track day at the Nordschleife pulled out 5 times that time delta just between the gantry and bridge, despite lifting for traffic before the bridge and being 6kph slower than Chris Goodwin. So even if there were no other high speed sections and it was all slow speed corners, which it isn't, the P1 would likely undo 6 minutes of tenth grabbing in that one straight, even assuming the energizer bunny in the 918's engine bay could run HL for a whole 6 minutes, which it can't.

Well with all this talk of prove this, prove that, has a LaFerrari ever been placed on a set of scales?

 

Taking into account my own time in both cars, what I am told, what I know, what I think I know, along with all the nods and winks......

Genuinely don't believe that the P1 has a faster time round the ring, not saying that it can not go faster on the right day, but likewise have no doubt that the 918 can also improve on the 6.57..

 

We've heard much of your nods and winks Apolo1 aka citylad. E.g.:

Marc Lieb only did 285kph on Dottinger on the record lap.

I used HL for 3 laps and battery charge increased.

Marc Lieb was in sport hybrid mode hence he was slower. Meanwhile another protagonist tells me, not using sport hybrid mode was the reason the 918 took nearly 30s to hit 200mph in the Autocar head-to-head, because the drag was too high.

I had a nod, a wink and a shake. They winked at me, nodded at you and shook their head.

It's amazing how some people draw conclusions about the 'ring times based on Laguna Seca. Laguna Seca has about as much in common with the Nordschleife as the Monte Carlo rally has with Monza. Much shorter, slower corners, slower straights, favours AWD and allows HL mode to be used for a whole lap.

You'll see that almost every single corner listed on the Nordschleife (bar a few) are faster than every single corner on Laguna Seca. I'm guessing average speed is almost twice as high too. But a Mercedes F1 car can't beat a Citroen WRC car on Monte Carlo, so it shouldn't beat it on Monza either right?

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I cannot believe we're actually reading some of the stuff we've witnessed on this website the past few days.

Incredible, and quite mind boggling!

Only if corporations and nations, could have this type of unbridled/unmitigated over-zealousness and blind optimism from their workers and citizens (particularly amidst dire or losing/no win circumstances).

Bravo!

Nonetheless, more popcorn please!

 

Bottom line LMFAO, where is the P1's published N-Ring lap time? Oh that's right, it doesn't have one!!! When the checker flag drops, the BS stops.

 

Yes/Good point.

Isn't it amazing, that some folks can argue something so stridently which has no shred of evidence or proof of it's existence????

It's been a habit with certain posters (names or descriptions will be withheld to protect the foolishly guilty) to our continuous bemusement.

The Mythical McLaren Ring Magic again!? "Say it Ain't So Joe"!?

The crazy part is: They will/would argue with you on that non event all day, week, month or year, if allowed (matter of fact, they have).

I always thought one argued so passionately in a factual world (Major Head Scratch here)??

Oh no. It's seemingly based on passion, belief and desire, sans facts and events. That's more in line with worshiping, enshrinement/idolatry, or a cult when you think of it.

Sign me up for whatever they're snorting, inhaling, smoking, absorbing, injecting, or receiving for such blind happiness.

FLAT EARTH!!!!!!!

 

When the battery charge drops, HL mode stops.

Or should that be:

When HL mode stops, lap pace drops.

Or possibly:

Up 165 pops, and an e-motor stops.

 

More! More!

Keep going LMFAO, I wanna read more.

 

we need a "sh*t that mclaren cultists say" thread

 

So let me summarize for you in the lap time battles between the 918 vs. P1 so far:

Nurburgring
918 - 6:57s (record holder for production car on road tires)
P1 - No time published (Mclaren "claims" it lapped under 7mins, just like North Korea "claims" that its people are not starving)

Anglesey (Evo)
918 beat the P1 by 0.2s on the first time with no factory support.
P1 cried and cringed. Begged Evo to let them have a retest WITHOUT inviting Porsche to the redo. Lapped 1.4s faster on the optional Trofeo R tires.

MIRA (Autocar)
918 beat the P1 by 1.1s. P1 cried and cringed and claim the track conditions wasn't ideal.

Laguna Seca (Motor Trend)
918 beat the P1 by 0.8s. And this was done by a standard 918. You claim Laguna Seca is not a track suited to the P1 and its advanced aero. You claim P1 will win against the 918 in a 10-15 lap race. And for the record, the 918 was never tested at Laguna Seca in Race mode (the equivalent to P1's setting), so there is no data that supports your argument that the P1 can beat the 918 in a 10-15lap race.

So before you start bringing other lap records that the P1 did (eg. Kyalami track), let me stop you right now. The 918 never lapped there, so there is no point bringing this up period. Just like there is no point for me to bring up the 918 lap record at Circuit Bugatti du Mans, as the P1 hasn't attempted a lap there either.

 

Looks like the P1 vs 918 is not going to happen on Top Gear anymore.

Mega-gallery: behind the scenes on Episode 5 - BBC Top Gear

Jennifer Clarkson should tnx mclaren for pulling out!

 

In a Nutshell!!

 

Thanks for that.. I really lost track of all the tests thus far.

 

But it seems that Clarkson is working on a 3 way test...when...who knows...

From TG Season 22 Episode 5 preview webpage:
"As you'll see from our exclusive behind-the-scenes gallery, recorded at rehearsals and filming for Episode 5, the LaFerrari joins the P1 and 918 on our studio floor. This isn't, we must make clear, the occasion upon which all three hypercars will settle the ‘who's fastest' dispute once and for all with a lap of our test track - though Jeremy's right now trying to make that happen - but it does give the boys a chance to have a proper barney about which they prefer."

 

Good to have someone impartial in charge of it

 

In the true scheme of things, it really doesn't matter anymore (not sure if it ever did). We've seen enough in past 12 months. 918 is just too much for P1 to sort out. But yeah, sure, for many viewers out there, they absolutely must have a lap time for TG power board otherwise life isn't complete. And this TG time is to be the one that really matters for fanboys...and what Jeremy and Co say is gospel. For certain crowds, what Harris or Sutcliff say is gospel. Silly willies.

 

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That's an automotive three-way of epic proportions!

 

Let me unsummarise your BS.

Anglesey - P1 won by 1.2s against 918 in HL mode.
Autocar Dry Lap - P1 lapped on a damp track.
Autocar Wet Lap - P1 faster despite RWD vs AWD.
Laguna Seca - Very slow track. Factory 918 beat customer P1 by 0.8s, with driver who'd never driven P1 before and had driven 918 twice before. P1 faster than his first Laguna Seca lap in 918. Ideal lap times equal on day. 918 slower after first lap when effectively in RH mode. P1 lapped within 0.3s of its best for 15 laps.
Nordschleife - Amateur driver pulls 4s on Mark Lieb between gantry and bridge on Dottinger. 918 apparently in wrong mode, as it is every time it loses.
Portimao - 2 minute lap, 918 only 2s faster than Speciale.
Big Willow - High speed lap, 918 only 2s faster than Nismo GTR.
Overall P1 vs 918 time delta - 0.4s in favour of P1.

 

I get it, you enjoy putting your delusions on the intuhnet. You google a few things here and there and think you've got it. Completely oblivious to data behind the data. "only 2 seconds faster than this or that..." Hilarious! After your roundings at CultLife, with the constant patting on the back that goes on there, you build up your energy and head over here. You feel 'compelled'. You 'speak' for other cultists, or like to think so, and that makes you feel good. Hilarious and sad at the same time. It truly is a train wreck of sort, and I can't look away.

 

This is not the point.
In the same track and and in the absence of high-speed corners the P1 peaked at 2.15g versus 1,87g of the 918 in MPSC2
This prove that the PZCS MC have tonns of mechical grip and therefore not inferior to the MSCP2
About MT Laguna Seca I did not see any telemetry release yet so I don’t what you are talking about.
Facts is that a customer P1 with standard suspension alignment and despite the advantage to be fitted with Trofeo R, was not able to keep up with the 918.
With standard PZCS the gap the difference would have been hilariuos
This result confirm the P1 press car have track alignment

 

Just put him on ignore this is getting ridiculous.

 

True. Porsche pyjama boys have a certain blindness to anything pro mclaren