Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

He speaks the truth, Any test where the p1 is favored is completely ignored

You know that the p1 is faster deep down. Autocar, evo, my 60-130 times, common now

 

Sorry but am I seriously reading this on a Ferrari board?

 

In which test was P1 favored?
Nobody was ever doubting the fact that P1 is faster at higher speeds.
But everywhere else, 918 has the edge.

 

All the tests thus far have the p1 performing more consistently and setting records

 

What? What is ignored?

Autocar- nobody in his right mind ever doubted, that P1 has an advantage in the upper speed range, after around 280km/h. In the lower speeds 918 is clearly faster, then P1 catches up and overtakes the 918. Clear fact, which nobody disputes.
The only comment was, that in this test AC didn't extract the maximum of the 918 in their discipline. Other than that, 918 was never focused on top speed records, there are a lot more cars, which will destroy these both in this discipline.

Evo- 918 beated again the P1 by officially 0,2sec. Then McLaren held the test for months, went back alone and beated this time on different day, car, conditions and Tyres with 1,2. You can't win something in which you aren't invited. So, what was ignored here?

Your times- who ignored them? The are what they are and in connection with point 1. We respected them and discussed in a friendly manner. In order to be fair, its good to be repeated, when your 918 is broken in. 5,2 sec for this discipline is pretty good for a car with 200km on the clock...

 

Not too sure

 

Laguna Seca nicely emphasizes all the 918's strengths and hides all its weaknesses, while doing the exact opposite for the P1.

How?

1. Slow track, maximum speed 140mph, doesn't give the P1 a chance to use its straight line line speed. Allows 918 to hide the fact that its front e-motor doesn't work above 165mph. What happens on Monza, Spa, Fuji and the Nordschleife (where the P1 can hit 200mph twice a lap)?

2. Slow corners. Three 40mph corners, traction advantage favours AWD. Further compounded by the fact one is the corkscrew, a downhill 40mph into another corner, which unloads the rear axle. Even the main straight begins with a 3Xmph corner, just in case the P1 could make anything up there. Rest of corners are mostly 60mph, with one just under 80mph, so the P1 is still traction limited and only the one 79-80mph begins to give its aero a chance to work.

3. Short track, so the 918's HL mode lasts for a full lap (90s) but that's about it. So what happens as track length increases. E.g. Portimao (120s), Jerez (120+s), Spa (130+s), VIR (160+s), Nordscheife (420s).

When an amateur driver in a P1 on a track day can pull 1-2s out of Marc Lieb on a section of the Nordschleife comprising 15% of its overall length and including 2 corners, surely that's some food for thought, making it a bit foolish to reject the chance that the P1 might not just be faster than the 918 on the 'ring but might be a lot faster! E.g. Amateur driver -> time delta -> magazine test driver -> time delta -> factory driver. Sure the 918 can probably squabble a few tenths between the Karussell and slower corners, assuming it's in HL mode, but then it'll get completely annihilated through the fast sections.

 

giving the benefit of the doubt. however, many 'troll like' posts, ideas from him suggests that there is some strong denial or ignorance... especially in the many months prior to taking delivery of his 918.

 

Autocar did run the 918 properly. This is typical of Porsche fanboys. At least Mclaren guys are analytical about why the P1 lost on a given track, rather than just accusing the magazine of performing the test wrong. Oh how simple life would be if we just said, "MT didn't run the test right," which is exactly what a Porsche fan would do in the same position.

If the 918 can only beat the P1 by 0.2s when it's on PZCSs on a given track, it's hardly going to win when it's on Trofeo Rs on the same track now is it? What you don't realise is that the 0.2s loss was actually a win in disguise.

PZCS - Dry grip - 89%
Pirelli PZero Corsa System | the Pirelli PZero Corsa System reviewed and rated - TyreReviews

"90% of the dry grip of the PS Cup, but way better in the damp, and lasts lots longer"

MPSC2 - Dry grip - 100%
Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 | the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 reviewed and rated - TyreReviews

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/Michelin-Pilot-Sport-Cup-2-Launched.htm

"1st: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2
Overall: When compared directly to the Cup+, initial impressions of the Cup 2 were actually negative - it’s a slightly slower steering tyre in low speed corners. While it's only a fraction, it was noticeable while testing back to back, however the payoff was clear the first time a high speed corner was taken - stability. So much more stability, to the point it felt like the 911 had uprated dampers.

Where the Cup+ needed two inputs for each corner, the first to turn the car and the second to catch the car as it settled into the turn, the Cup 2 was in another league. A single turn placed the car exactly where you wanted it to be, and mid corner you weren't fighting the grip as you were on the Cup+. On the subject of grip, the Cup 2 had noticeably more dry grip than the Cup+, and while the turn two understeer hadn't been eliminated, the car had a much better balance mid corner. While these were big steps forward, there were more subtle steps too. The Cup 2 offered more braking stability at the end of the long straight, curbs upset the car less, and powerslides, if your thing, were easier with the new tyre as it provided more communication past the limit. Ultimate lap time: 2.09.7, 2.4 seconds faster than the Cup+ with no signs of overheating. When you combine all this with 50% better wear on all tyres of vehicles, the Cup 2 is a real winner.

Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Plus 2nd: Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Plus
Overall: Initially the 911 felt a little vague at the front, not unusual, but once up to speed the car felt twitchy and nervous in the high speed corners, requiring a lot of steering input to place the car where you needed it to be. In the slow, off camber turn 2 ironically named "Curva Michelin", there was a large amount of understeer, with the Turbos four wheel drive system refusing to neutralise it on throttle. Braking down to the Curva Dry Sac at the end of the long straight, with the track slightly cambered to the left was vague and kept you more interested in keeping the car straight, rather than where you should be turning in. Criticism aside, the raw grip was immense, and the car quick to turn. Ultimate laptime settled into a 2.12.1 over the 3 quick laps, with the tyres starting to overheat two laps later, after lots of 'scientific' abuse."

Trofeo R - Dry grip - 100%
Pirelli P Zero Trofeo | the Pirelli P Zero Trofeo reviewed and rated - TyreReviews

His car is also one of the faster ones. C&D only managed 5.7s in the 918. MT managed 4.8s 60-130mph in the P1.

The 2015 Porsche 918 Spyder Is the Quickest Road Car in the World ? Feature ? Car and Driver
McLaren P1: How I Set The Motor Trend Production-Car Record - Motor Trend Page 2

 

Typical. Full of assumptions and misinformation. Whacked, totally. You spend an awful lot of time breaking down the details and yet you know absolutely jack! In the end you are again completely oblivious to this: the ideal track for P1 doesn't exist, a bespoke track must be created from scratch to meet all of your excuses for it (this track must have 150mph corners everywhere, and multiple 2 mile long straights, etc). Utterly ridiculous. This is what happens when one car has a chassis and engine combo jerry rigged into a 'new' one vs. the other car that had one built from scratch.

918 has superior chassis grip + balance (class leading CoG, tall and wide tires, AWS = unmatched corner entry, mid-corner, and corner exit performance), and obvious drivetrain grip advantage + stupendous power band (AWD, superior gearbox, 500+ lb ft of torque at 800rpm...750lb ft in 3rd gear = massive acceleration/speed between corners).

So Laguna Seca is now a 'slow' track that magically fits 918 perfectly and hinders P1? Baloney. 918 is able to shine on any and all kinds of tracks because it has strengths that are stronger and weaknesses that are smaller. From Anglesey to VIR to NS, 918 simply surprises and astounds. Standard 918 at 4 mile long VIR, driven by the journo hot shoe lapped it 6 seconds quicker that Nismo GTR, 7.7 sec quicker than F12 on 'optional' MPSC2's that are slightly wider than the stock tires. But according to you, 918 shouldn't be that fast because HL mode doesn't last very long! BTW, in RaceHybrid, 918 still 3 seconds faster than Nismo GTR. Not too shabby huh? 918 also holds production car lap records at several other tracks in Europe, which happen to have different characteristics as well. And the NS? Stop assuming, stop turning wishful thinking and fantasy into fact, and instead look at what's already been recorded. 918 is still production car record holder. You are fixated on using that track day example, and you reshape it in such a way that best fits into your whacked assumptions. Your outrageously dumb assessment: "...but then it'll get annihilated through the fast sections" says everything about your ignorance and your Troll level.

Food for thought: At the NS, A VLN GT3 class car with ~550hp reaches 'only' around 180-185mph on the long straights (Veyron tops 215mph). Yet, it laps in 6:35sec range while Veyron requires 2 lunar months. How does that happen? Simple. NS has lots and lots of turns, VLN car grips EVERYWHERE, by relying on a huge amount of chassis grip and not just on aero by itself. Sparky, sparky...

 

again, lots of googling only to show that you know absolutely jack shyte. Tyre reviews? Really, really, REALLY? FFS, the EVO result was more than a clear cut 0.2sec delta, but you uninformed fanboys take the .2sec as printed and spin it as you like. And, so predictable but you cultists really need to get over that MT prototype test run. It's out of whack. That's why Mac has yet to provide a production car for real, standardized testing, despite numerous request by MT themselves. So ye faithful can keep citing it for internet racing.

 

From data acquired up to know, I can say the p1 will annihilate the 918 on a long track.

918 is good for a lap، performance drops after that. 60-130 times tell you a lot about grunt in the larger tracks.

 

So, disclose this "data" of yours and then we talk
Because I remember another Mac owner who "gathered" data and wanted to annihilate LS record by himself, but now is scratching his head and telemetry sheets of paper to find excuses. And which is more pathetic - through other fanboys...

 

the Nordschleife time debacle for the P1 tells that even long(er) tracks(in this case, 20.6 km) work in 918's favour.

 

Comon، 60-130 times do tell you something

918s hot lap mode is the problem here, it squeezes every bit of performance for a lap and then you lose a lot of hp

When times are actually disclosed everybody will know, til then you will have to rely on independent magazine tests, which so far have favored the p1

 

Time will never be officially disclosed because it is slower than 918... you know it, I know it, everybody else knows it.
Not a single, not a SINGLE comparative tests ever favoured P1, either vs LaFerrari(on purely subjective terms since no data was allowed) or against 918(on measured data). But, please, do continue with your fantasy....

 

No, 60-130 doesn't tell much. Also 1/4 mile, 0-60, 0-130, etc. doesn't tell the whole story, because here we are talking about lap times. They are a sum of many parametres .

Yas Marina? Is it fast enough? Please, prove that you with your amateur level of track driving can deplete the battery in a single lap. Then, prove that you loose MUCH HP in the second. Then, we are talking...

 

Already been done, Randy tested the 918 twice at Laguna Seca, telemetry showed the fall off in acceleration on the straights on lap 2 clear as day.

Simple really, treynor has stated that the 918's lap pace dropped off by 1s after lap 1 and 1.5s after lap 2.

When that battery runs out of charge and HL mode can no longer function, boy does the 918 become slow.

Even with the battery fully charged, a 918WP in HL mode is no faster than a stock 650S from 150-200mph as the Autocar test showed - yeah that bites doesn't it. And when it isn't fully charged, well.... and when it runs out of charge completely part way around a 'ring lap after using HL, well you have a fairly weak 4.6L NA engine pulling quite a hefty car. Whereas a P1 would still be faster than a fully charged 918 from 0-200mph even with a flat battery, even assuming that ever happens, which it doesn't unless you use the electric only mode for some reason.

So once you peel back that thin 90s veneer of fake fast, or go over 165mph, it all comes apart. But sure, for 90s below 165mph and with the right selection of slow corners, the 918 can pretend it's as quick as a P1. For that reason, P1 vs 918 is the difference between being a film star and a one-off appearance on Pop Idol.

 

I like it when I know something and others don't, it does feels so good.

I own both and I personally love them both, never thought of this is better than that it's childish to me I'm over that kind of thinking.

and no fantasy P1 time it did happen and it happened really fast actually very very fast, the video alone is mind blowing thumps up to Mclaren.

Enjoy the arguments, 3 amazing cars with different characters.

Mbn

 

So based on this logic (ie. 60-130 times, 180mph+ acceleration times), the Veyron Supersport should kill the P1 and 918 at the N-Ring and every other "longer" tracks?

How about those 1200hp Underground Racing Lambos? They should be super fast on the longer tracks too right?

 

Lamefao,
Why you continue to quote me? I don't care and have the time to bother with you?

Quote whatever you want out of the contest, but we all know:

1. Treynor believed to beat 918 with him behind the wheel. Even Randy didn't succeed. Fact!
2. Treynor admired that 918 was more consistent in its pace. Fact!
3. Treynor forgot to mention that 918 was faster in its second lap also. Another person had to admit this. Fact
4. Treynor admired that the 918 recuperates enormous amount of power even in HL mode. Your house starts to fall off haha
5. Treynor refused to bravely ansewar who was faster on that day. Instead some telemetry BS...

So, go ask your beloved friends on mccult to help you additional propaganda material from the telemetry and don't loose our time!.

Last time,I reply you fanboy !

 

Mbn,
You saw the whole lap on video? Not just bits and pieces of their "record lap"?

 

And how can it be too dangerous to show anybody else but ok with the owners who could go and actually try to replicate such a lap in a car not as "prepped" (not the same ringer)?

 

This thread is mindblowing. No matter how many days go by, you can always check in and the same arguments will be discussed.

 

This thread is mindblowing. No matter how many days go by, you can always check in and the same old arguments are still being discussed.