Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

2. Treynor actually said the driver's driving was more consistent in the 918 because it was the third time he'd driven it, not that the car was more consistent, your comprehension has failed you.

4. Is that why the 918 is 1s slower on lap 2 and 1.5s slower on lap 3 and the P1 maintains pace within 0.3s for 15 laps.

5. Sector times show the P1 is capable of going as fast even on that extremely poorly suited track.

Well apparently it was too dangerous to attempt a lap record in the 918 without changing the roof but to answer your question, yes, it can easily be dangerous, start giving people target corner speeds achieved by a professional racing driver at the limit and it can easily end in disaster and frankly I doubt they want to go back to do it all again if someone beats the time, so by not releasing the time, those kinds of targets are removed.

 

You'd be surprised how close the P1 is to the Veyron SS up to 200mph in terms of rolling acceleration. Who even says a Veyron SS in track mode is quicker 60-130mph on a good surface? On the same testing ground, with the same magazine (Autocar). Note also that this surface was very bad, so RWD cars would be badly affected.

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Autocar Road Test - Bugatti Veyron Super Sport | GermanCarForum
McLaren P1: How I Set The Motor Trend Production-Car Record - Motor Trend Page 2

Veyron Super Sport / P1 / P (Motor Trend)
0 - 60 mph: 2.6s / 3.24s / 2.6s
0 - 100 mph: 5s / 5.78s / 4.7s
0 - 150 mph: 10.2s / 11.18s / 9.9s
0 - 180 mph: 16.2s / na / na
0 - 200 mph: 22.2s / 23.29s / na
100-150mph: 5.2s / 5.4s / 5.2s
100-200mph: 12.0s / 12.11s / na

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKrLRMk0O0c

 

I wonder if a certain someone even knows, that Motor Trend test being quoted wasn't even a real, official test (acknowledged by Motor trend)?

But of course, we won't ask them to stop, denying us even more entertainment, WTF moments, and utter bemusement.

So more popcorn please; don't stop!

At least, wait till they release their acceleration data on the upcoming test (you know, the one some folks are so upset about from Laguna Seca), if they do?

 

60-130 combined with g's pulled on the turns tells you a lot about track performance. If the Veyron weighed as light as the p1 and is capable of pulling the same cornering g's then yes it would perform similarly. The Veyron isn't built for the track, its a luxury gt car on steroids.

As for the battery depleting this isn't something I made up. If you were smart enough to read the Porsche literature you would understand how hot lap works.

I was talking with a gt driver yesterday who has been racing for 30 years, who happened to drive the 918 on track. What he said was exactly what a lot of others are stating, The 918 is a very fast car but only for one lap. That's where you get max performance. After that you will have to recharge the battery.

Now for some unbiased thoughts

Slow corners, the 918 will be faster

small tracks/ autocross 918 will be faster

medium to bigger tracks the p1 will definitely be faster.

Any comparison with more than 1 lap will show the p1 to post more consistent times.

As for yas Boy, I will leave that to the pros, there's a comparison happening soon there

My bet is on the p1 if it is going to happen in the full f1 gp configuration

 

I understand how Hot Lap mode works. Yes, in Hot Lap mode, the battery gets depleted quite fast over the course of one lap to achieve maximum lap time.

This is exactly why it's called "Hot Lap" not "Hot Laps (ie. multiple laps)"

This is also why there is a mode called "Race mode." Go back to the track and see if you can deplete your 918's battery under Race Mode. The speed that the car recharges its battery under Race Mode is significantly faster than Hot Lap mode due to ICE regen + Brake regen.

Get a Pro driver and test your 918 in Race Mode over 10 laps and compare that to your P1. This is the only thing that we don't have any data on and this is something that Mclaren cultists are grasping onto.

Trust me, we all look forward to any future comparison on the two cars.

 

I wonder if a P1 was put on a conveyor belt that accelerated at the same speed as the car so it remains stationary would it would take off, er, set a lap record

Becoming an historic thread ... lol
Pete

 

Keep in mind, many owners/drivers, prospective owners, and even reporters have driven the 918 in "Hotlap" mode numerous times around a track with out depleting the battery. As a matter of fact, many of them have claimed they saw an increase.

Remember, even Walisser says, "most owners will never deplete the battery in Hot Lap Mode". You need to be a pro level driver, attempting to break records. So someone got some (Ricky Ricardo-like) "Splaining" to do, if they claimed to use up the battery during "Hot Lap" Mode. It's either that, or Porsche and prospective owners were lying; while the reporters remained mum????

Nonetheless; don't understand all the fuss regarding HL by cultist (but then again, I do). LOL

The 918 doesn't have HL, cause it can't. But because it Can!

It's actually a benefit, plus/Get Out Of Jail Free Card, due to the thoughtful design by Porsche.

The P1 can't, cause it doesn't have the juice and regenerative braking. Should be "End Of Story/discussion" in a spherical earth.

Oh well. It must be flat then/again??

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-s7UiQ3sOwI

Sorry if it's a repost

 

You do understand that race mode is significantly slower than hot lap?

 

How so?

3-5 secs on the ring (a 13+ mile, undulating, serpentine, semi-dangerous track)? That's damn good.

So what would be the difference, on a shorter, less complex, more level track?

Let's not forget, all of Porsche's official stats (0-60, 0-100 mph, 1/4 mile, etc.) were done in "Race Mode". Yes that's true.

Don't feel most owners will graduate past Sports Hybrid, mind you "Race Mode" (outside of a few thrills/sensations) anyway. Not if they're on a serious track run with their respective talents. It should be more than enough. Sure "Hot Lap" is faster. But if you're trying to go all out on a track as a regular owner, Sports Hybrid and Race (if they get there) may be enough.

Plus, my point (which you avoided) was that others have driven in "Hot Lap" mode with out any problems or battery issues. This is a Red Herring, desperate argument as the hour glass sand sifts away for those clinging to their last ill reasoned, ill begotten, previously smited beliefs.

Ironically, Jethro Bovington, complained about the P1's battery during their testing, while lauding the 918's, FWIW.

How ironic (though we keep getting this one way feedback from the usual suspects).

Cute trick. But try again, harder.

You know better.

Much love though.

 

Sorry double post

 

Tonight's top gear just confirmed only porsche want to run at the track and confirmed in detail mclaren and ferraris reluctance . Ferrari actually will ban anyone that lends a car to top gear from ever buying a limited edition car again . Mclaren only want to go to a track of their choice ( unspecified ) even though they developed the car there .

Again Doomy reported this months ago

 

Yes, 3-4s slower at the N-Ring, which is a 20.9km track. You can do the math at Yas Marina.

 

Just watched topgear and they won't allow them to put the stig behind the wheel for a lap of all 3.

Porsche said go ahead.

McLaren said not at that track (which is there own test track as well as topgears). And only if it's a customers car.

Ferrari said no. Then they said only if it comes from the factory direct. And if you use a customers car we will find out which car it is and make sure they never get a limited edition car again.

But they left it where they may know an owner with all 3 cars and is willing to let them use them. So it still may happen.

Hope it isn't a repost, but too many pages to sift through. Sorry.

 

Well, it's not the first time as neither wanted to provide a car for Motor Trend the past few months either (and McLaren with Top Gear originally vs the 918). Lest, we forget?

And of course, we know about McLaren's reluctance to provide the P1 for any solo testing in non British hands, mind you vs it's competitors.

Nonetheless, despite this news-again....We'll hear a chorus of the usual suspects, bellowing how great/fast the P1 supposed to be, though it's always Chicken Sheet when McLaren needs to put it up against one of these other cars. Whudda joke (once again)!

Case closed (along with the results)!!

PS: I hope Porsche didn't record a time? As the other cars will just sheepishly show up, after/anyway, dubiously recording their own time alone.

 

No time tonight tg want to do all cars same day

 

Don't you think, when TG basically begs for these cars to be supplied/tested by the manufacturer's, some sort of deal can be brokered with the car makers to protect their vehicles? After all, we already know about Ferrari's reputation and policies (mind you TG alleged favoritism).

We've seen some of the Shenanigans already (with McLaren in particular), regarding P1 testing and British mags, reporters. Not good.

Maybe they're better off indeed with customer cars (though maybe not good for future Limited Edition Ferrari purchase potential)? LOL

 

We knew already about Ferrari's policies and they are quite reasonable, especially considering Top Gear's partiality reputation. But McLaren had to stand by the complete opposite proposition just to avoid the test. Why can't Mclaren come up with a car of their own or not even on their own test track? Porsche wins this without it even taking place.

 

Oh, the mighty P1 doesn't want to face 918 or LaFerrari on the home turf...

What's the latest excuse, Mclaren fans?

Too dangerous? Track too slow? Porsche too fast?

 

The difference between HL mode and Race can be felt while driving.

The thing is on the ring it probably won't last the whole lap on hl. On a smaller track id say around 1-3 secs difference between the two modes,depending on the track. Still a big difference.

Now with regards to the topgear track, i think the 918 would set the better time. The track is more suited to the way it puts down its power.

Unless Mclaren surprises us again. Like they did in the wet track during the autocar test. Nobody saw that one coming.

 

Oh, the mighty P1 doesn't want to face 918 or LaFerrari on the home turf...

What's the latest excuse, Mclaren fans?

Too dangerous? Track too slow? Porsche too fast?

 

Yeah, let's get the popcorn and wait for the flowing, Niagara Falls like Chorus of excuses.

Unfortunately, I feel the reality is, they'll just ignore this ever happened as per their usual when it doesn't suit their arguments.

 

What you "feel", and what is, may not be telling.

As HL may provide certain sensations, while Race Mode will/can be more steady through out. You know that.

Case in point (as Argosy mentioned): Sports Auto hit 317 kph at the end of their testing. Lieb did 297 kph or so. Nonetheless, Lieb beat Sports Auto testing by 16 secs. So that doesn't necessarily prove anything.

Once again, Porsche say 3-5 secs on the ring. That's a near 14 mile track. And more importantly, all of Porsche's acceleration and speed official stats were performed in Race Mode.

This is really the biggest non argument I've ever heard. Once again, HL, is because of Porsche's ability to design the 918 from the ground up, as opposed to a quick fix to cash in on a new segment of the Hyper Car market.

I would also guess, the best way to run the 918 on a track is to use the different modes that would benefit during a particular portion of the track, which makes this repeated non argument nonsensical to begin with.

 

The thing is ferrari never claimed the lafer was the fastest car ever .
Mac did
As for top gear not being important to them

Remember this ?
McLaren celebrates Stig's storming power lap - BBC Top Gear

 

Hot lap and sport hybrid 3/4 seconds difference round nordschleife