Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

all of this has become ridiculous. Was it mclaren or top gear that didn't make it happen last night?

I understand ferrari wanting to provide the car. You want to control every variable in such a test. Who knows how well/fresh the customer car will be when they decide to use it for a laptime. Some Laf are one year old and have seen several track days.

Why not send 3 factory cars?

 

It's abundantly clear that McLaren did not allow Top Gear to test the P1 at Dunsfold as they knew the Porsche would be faster. Why they're trying to blame the producers of the show for this fiasco is beyond me.

Pathetic.

 

That is NOT true. McLaren says they were ready to go and Top Gear cancelled the test. Considering McLaren made a public statement today saying so, and Porsche has nothing to lose, this points to it being Ferrari's work. EVO already called them out on it. Even the mighty Top Gear can't afford to go up against Ferrari. Imagine Top Gear not getting to drive the 488 for next season?

 

Dude you are on a roll today. Keep going.

As for that quoted statement, it would seems you are the only one here who thinks that way.

But don't let facts gets in the way of your dream world.

 

To be objective - this is strange TG vs Mclaren case and really interested, what will happen...

 

The test was meant to be McLaren vs Porsche for 1 year, they had a bet on it and Ferrari was never mentioned. It has constantly been postponed and now we know why, but McLaren is shielding behind Ferrari. Pathetic! Absolute BS! Or maybe Clarkson canceled it because he knew he would have had to change his name for real! Ah ah ah not even british media is able to cover the debacle

 

Because they tend to turn up on cut slicks, running abnormal suspension camber, with FXX K engines and race gas in the tank.

The P1 in the Laguna Seca test had probably done more track miles than a 1 year old LaFerrari has done in total.

Dude, I'm just quoting the facts. Surely a 1.5s drop off in lap pace by lap 3 should be something to think on for the 918-backers out there. What would that mean for Anglesey Coastal, where it was 1.2s slower anyway? 2.7s slower by lap 3?

What I'd suggest as a test is 3 laps of Spa, Monza, Silverstone, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, Fuji, Suzuka, Hockenheim GP or Nurburgring GP. Given that McLaren allowed a customer car to take part in a test at Laguna Seca against a factory 918, a test that really didn't favour it, I can't see why Porsche would chicken out of the aforementioned test just because it wouldn't favour their car. Buk-buk-bukawk etc.

 

When Ron Dennis made all the claims about P1 being fastest of any car on any track, before or after, he unfortunately only had time to speak them, and did not have a written copy of his notes to provide.

Fortunately I managed to get a copy of the written notes complete with disclaimers (which he didn't say at the time), and they are as follows:

The P1 is the world's fastest production car on any track**

**Except as follows:
1. on slow tracks that I get to define (i.e. any time the P1 loses),
2. when a standing start is involved - who would ever do a standing start?,
3. with base supplied tires which are absolute s**t despite the car being developed with them,
4. various miscellaneous reasons that are not covered in above three.

So you see, Mr. Dennis was quite correct in his pronouncement, he just left out some minor details.

 

Why so complicated?

Just do 1 lap of Nardo. Guaranteed win for the P1.

Then finally the P1 can claim a H2H victory on a track.

 

Nardo will be tough, imv...
Daytona 500? Indianapolis?

 

Nardo will be tough, imv...
Daytona 500? Indianapolis?

 

Just like they were ready to release the Ring time?

 

don't be so sure...

Nardo(the oval, there is also a handling track) is very agressive on tires and suspension at high speeds. And since it is Porsche owned and they tested the 918 there(which resulted in a suspension failure/crack and a recall) I'm willing to bet the 918 would be more comfortable there.

 

Does anyone with a sane mind and intellect honestly believe a TV SHOW (especially one that's been on the air as long, successfully as Top Gear) would mess up/lose the opportunity to have a lusted upon hyper car on their show to help boost ratings and future promotions??

Come on now; really?

If some one believes that, I have a bridge to sell them in Brooklyn pronto.

 

Including the infield corners? Nah, those are low speed corners, not 'real world' enough.

The oval only would be too short, P1 needs a loooooooooooooooooooong track especially straights to show off it's acceleration pace after 265km/hr and it's higher top speed.

 

So, Porsche are basically lauded as saints by TG for offering up their car anytime, in any conditions. Bravo Porsche.

Ferrari and McLaren are like naughty school children who are being deliberately difficult. The pair of them should be sent to the naughty step. All this does is make the Porsche look like an even better achievement - the only manufacturer who has the required level of confidence in their product - and $000ks cheaper as well. Nice.

 

The worst part about the top gear episode is that most regular people are blaming ferrari and their history of supplying tuned cars as the reason for mclaren pulling out of the match and not the real reason why: they knew they were going to lose. They can throw ferrari under the bus all day long and they probably don't care because they're ferrari. But mclaren, on the other hand, needed this win BADLY. Even if ferrari supplied sf15T in a laferrari body and called it a day, they were never in the heated battle as much as porsche. Heck, remember when Dennis said that he beat the previous lap record by 10sec?

Look at this thread, how often have we even spoken about the ferrari as opposed to the 918 vs P1? Mclaren could have still did the test against the 918 just to prove that they can do small tracks and ignore ferrari being on top and winning, but they didn't.

 

So, Porsche are basically lauded as saints by TG for offering up their car anytime, in any conditions. Bravo Porsche.

Ferrari and McLaren are like naughty school children who are being deliberately difficult. The pair of them should be sent to the naughty step. All this does is make the Porsche look like an even better achievement - the only manufacturer who has the required level of confidence in their product - and $000ks cheaper as well. Nice.

 

The worst part about the top gear episode is that most regular people are blaming ferrari and their history of supplying tuned cars as the reason for mclaren pulling out of the match and not the real reason why: they knew they were going to lose. They can throw ferrari under the bus all day long and they probably don't care because they're ferrari. But mclaren, on the other hand, needed this win BADLY. Even if ferrari supplied sf15T in a laferrari body and called it a day, they were never in the heated battle as much as porsche. Heck, remember when Dennis said that he beat the previous lap record by 10sec?

Look at this thread, how often have we even spoken about the ferrari as opposed to the 918 vs P1? Mclaren could have still did the test against the 918 just to prove that they can do small tracks and ignore ferrari being on top and winning, but they didn't.

 

Why not do 3 laps of world famous F1 GP tracks, what are you scared of? Why build 200+mph cars and only use the first 140mph? Surely any car worth a crap can do 3 laps without running out of steam?

Given that McLaren let a test be conducted with a customer P1 against a factory 918 on track that really didn't suit the P1, with a driver who'd driven the 918 twice before, I think the least Porsche can do is grow a pair and step up to some adult tracks.

Woah there with the disingenuous representation of facts. McLaren has already done two short tracks at Anglesey Coastal and Laguna Seca, one with a customer car. Whilst they didn't win at Laguna Seca in terms of hot lap time, they did okay and proved to be more capable of sustained lap pace in a genuine, untampered customer car.

So now, how about Porsche prove they can do long tracks in a genuine customer car, instead of always baiting people for a race on short tracks that they might have a chance on? It's Porsche that has something to prove here, in terms of what it can do h2h on longer tracks.

Yes, poor Ferrari, they've really done absolutely nothing to deserve such a reputation have they?

 

So basically, he's a massive liar?

ideo: Ron Dennis Claims McLaren P1 Will Beat Top Gear and Nurburgring Records
Video: Ron Dennis Claims McLaren P1 Will Beat Top Gear and Nurburgring Records

While officially previewing the production ready version of the McLaren P1 at the Geneva Motor Show 2013, Ron Dennis revealed that the new British built supercar is set to thrash the lap records for production cars at both the Top Gear test track and at the infamous Nordschliefe.

At 8:30 in the following video, Ron Dennis claims that while he was at the wheel of the McLaren P1 at the Top Gear test track, he managed to blitz the lap record by an almost unbelievable 10 seconds, which would theoretically give it a lap time of around the 1 minute 4 second mark.

If this is true, then the McLaren P1 is indeed 10 seconds faster than the current lap record holder, the Pagani Huayra and such a time difference on such a short track is almost beyond the realm of possibility for such a car.

 

So ferrari says its cars are not abou laptimes.

Why make a super car at all?

 

Oh sure sure.

If McLaren really stood by their car they would have gone against the 918 at Top Gear track, and with LaFerrari sitting it out would have made Ferrari look like bunch of wussies.

That McLaren tweet just proves how self conscious McLaren is about their fake P1 claims.

Meanwhile Porsche HQ must be laughing their ass off, they are getting free PR and they don't have to do a single thing.

 

On your third paragraph, they already have, it's called the PRE-PRODUCTION 918 and the NORDSCHLIEFE.

On your last sentence: they're ferrari, they don't have to prove anything. Would you ask lebron james to play a match against Kobe? Would you ask a young nikki Laura to go against Hamilton to prove he was faster back in the day?

 

I'm talking about a h2h.

LOL. Yes, that's why you analyse everything Ron Dennis says and ignore the fact that a car quoted at 1360kg kerb (less than an Enzo), actually weighs 1600+kg.

9.6s@157mph and 15.0s 0-300kph, yet doesn't appear noticeably faster than a P1 at any speed up to 205mph, even taking the LaFerrari speedometer as gospel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zf4TMyB6Amw
http://s74.photobucket.com/user/lukos_/media/autocarresults_zps4de804ff.png.html

Also looks slower here 0-140mph:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqAbWdlG2Y8

Not really looking like 700hp/ton, sorry.

Exaggerating lap speed is one thing, but when you can even quote the basic specs right, that's really something.