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Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

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  1. kingjr9000

    kingjr9000 Formula 3

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    Actually treynor said that it weighed less than 1600kg. Someone on here should know where that post was.
     
  2. Whoopsy

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    You really need to go back read what you wrote. Why the arbitrary 3 laps?

    I certainly didn't see all published lap records on all the tracks in the world saying the record is over 3 laps.

    Did F1 use 3 laps as their qualifying standard for pole position? You really should write to Ecclestone and tell you he is doing it wrong, need to change the qualifying to a 3 lap race and then abolish the standing start, I am sure he will be very appreciative to your suggestion to help the poor McLaren.

    If there is such a race, why not do a whole GP worth of laps or how about have them do a 24 hr race? The 918 in Race mode operates exactly like the P1, both will never run out of battery, and both will be doing around same pace lap time wise. But the P1 will run out of gas first and will need to pit more than the 918. So in the end the 918 will still wins.

    You really cracks me up greatly trying to find a niche test that can show case the P1. I got a few for you, how about who has the most cupholder wins? Or the car with a full digital dash wins? The one with the biggest wing wins? The one who has more turbos wins? Off the top of my head, the P1 is already leading 5-0 in Head to Head right there including the Nardo test track win. IF we figured the fastest car to accelerate from 214mph to 217mph, then it's 6-0.

    But wait there is more, the car is is British build wins? 7-0. The car with a glass window roof wins? 8-0. The car with a swoosh logo wins? 9-0.

    Wow, it's a landslide victory now. 9-0, who would have thought.

    I was gonna suggest the car with a 1 in the name or a P in the name wins, but since both cars has those 2 letters, it's gonna be a tie and you don't like that.
     
  3. Igor Ound

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    Surely, Mclaren win as they have the biggest knobs

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  4. BusDriver

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    Given Ron Dennis’ and McLaren’s extremely bold claims, it would have been a tall order for any car, even something as fantastic as the McLaren P1 to live up to expectations.

    Regardless of the veracity of the claims, the McLaren P1 remains an outstanding car. It is a fantastic driving experience per owners and press alike, with a monster engine and drivetrain. For example, all 903 hp is torque multiplied through a 7 speed gearbox, versus just the 800hp petrol engine for the Ferrari, and the petrol + rear electric engine or 764 hp for the Porsche.

    The P1 also has the purest brake feel of the three (no KERS), cool doors, transparent roof, and a very unusual alien ocean reptile look. And its calling card, the adjustable ride height and active aerodynamics in race mode are absolutely unique.

    Given that the Porsche vs McLaren is now 4-0 (lap times at Anglesey, MIRA, Nordschleife, Laguna Seca), perhaps McLaren and Ron Dennis regret some of the outrageous claims (6:36 on the Nordschleife!), or perhaps not given that they sold out all 375 units resulting ~$500mm of revenue.

    Regardless of the financial success of the car, McLaren has failed in some ways. First, by underestimating Porsche. And second and more importantly, by underestimating the long term reputational damage. It is not the like the old days (where every Lamborghini or Ferrari brochure added 30 mph to the car’s true top speed) – there is no hiding the truth on the internet.

    It is already clear to many that history will view these cars as Ferrari being the most exciting, Porsche the quickest, and McLaren with the boldest claims.
     
  5. BusDriver

    BusDriver Formula Junior

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    #16005 BusDriver, Feb 23, 2015
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    Duplicate post.
     
  6. Craigy

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    Just saw the statements by McLaren. You know Top Gear would immediately counter if McLaren was just blowing hot air. So the real culprit is Ferrari.

    Such a shame. Ferrari can't cheat the system so it's a no-go.

    Still wish they'd at least give us times for the 918 and P1. Really the Ferrari time is pretty meaningless to me anyway since you know it won't be a legitimate car.

    At least I can feel a little better about McLaren.
     
  7. REALZEUS

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    I am sorry but I call that BS! Privately owned Ferraris give identical numbers to press cars and they never fail to win tests. The only logical explanation is that they couldn't all reach an agreement regarding the conditions of the test.
     
  8. MarkNC

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    That is true. Jeremy said "we're going to put the Stig in both of them and do some timed laps around our track".

    But I'd love to see them do all three together. I'd love to see if the LaFerrari is truly faster than the other two (as I suspect it is) and where they all stand. Whether the 918 beats it or not I'm still loving my P1.
     
  9. LMFAO

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    So, how much does it weigh? Bet it isn't anywhere near 1360kg, unless it's down on a lot of power, because I only see 600hp/ton.
     
  10. MarkNC

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    I think he meant the Star in a Reasonably Priced Car lap times :)

    Because to someone like Ron, the P1 is a "reasonably priced car" :)

    (yes, I'm JOKING!)
     
  11. Igor Ound

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    It would have happened if Mclaren didn't moan first about their own track and second about factory cars. Since when tests are done with customers' items?
     
  12. REALZEUS

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    Unlike other members who happen to be more patient than I am and thus tried to engage in an intelligent discussion with you, I had refrained from such action. But you know, there are red lines after all and lying about facts crosses such a red line. You need to learn the difference between dry weight, kurb weight and EU weight.
     
  13. LMFAO

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    Simple. We get to find out how fast the 918 really is after it's finished bulls**ting everybody in its Hot Lap mode.

    No but they now have to start the race with the same fuel load and tyres. And qualifying laps don't win GPs, or on track days.

    Heavier car will be harder on its tyres, especially the fronts. 918 would be so slow on a GP track when not using HL mode that the P1 would have enough time for a clean pit stop after just 10 laps of Spa. Hell, without HL mode it would be ~2.5s a lap slower ever on Anglesey Coastal.:D

    How about the company that doesn't suck so badly at Formula One that it dropped out wins?

    Try poke fun all you like, but the real comedy show would be a 918 vs a P1 on a GP track after HL mode runs dry.:D People would wonder why anyone even thought the 918 was in the same class.
     
  14. LMFAO

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    What!?

    It's 1-1, P1 won by 1.2s at Anglesey.

    http://fastestlaps.com/laptimes/5468eb9a07cee.html

    "1. McLaren P1 1:11.20
    2. Porsche 918 Spyder 1:12.40 "


    MIRA - P1 lapped in the damp. Surely we're not going to compare damp laps to dry ones.

    Nordschleife, we don't know the result.
     
  15. LMFAO

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    Fixed.

    Having seen the integrity of some of TG's drag races, I honestly don't know why anyone even gives a crap.

    To me that sounds like someone who's confused rather than deceitful. The TG lap record is 1:10 (Caparo T1). A Renault F1 car was only 10s faster than that, so it clearly wouldn't be a great attempt at deceit.

    Besides, all the times have already been beaten by a road legal car, including that of Schumacher in the Ferrari Enzo FXX on slicks.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoigMFX2ivM
     
  16. REALZEUS

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    You "sir" are a troll, not worthy of our time. Pathetic...

    PS: There are many owners on this site that have timed their own cars and the numbers were even better than the factory claims!!!
     
  17. kingjr9000

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    Unfortunately not. He actually meant beating the sports car lap times, see:

    Video: Ron Dennis Claims McLaren P1 Will Beat Top Gear and Nurburgring Records

    While officially previewing the production ready version of the McLaren P1 at the Geneva Motor Show 2013, Ron Dennis revealed that the new British built supercar is set to thrash the lap records for production cars at both the Top Gear test track and at the infamous Nordschliefe.

    At 8:30 in the following video, Ron Dennis claims that while he was at the wheel of the McLaren P1 at the Top Gear test track, he managed to blitz the lap record by an almost unbelievable 10 seconds, which would theoretically give it a lap time of around the 1 minute 4 second mark.

    If this is true, then the McLaren P1 is indeed 10 seconds faster than the current lap record holder, the Pagani Huayra and such a time difference on such a short track is almost beyond the realm of possibility for such a car.
     
  18. ginge82

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    It speaks volumes that Porsche are the only company of the three that are willing to race wherever and whenever.

    I'm sure the owners of the 918 are more reassured by that confidence than those who bought rival cars that need the right track, weather, setup, sticky tires, ride height adjustment and factory assistance to do what they promised customers.

    Once again, well done Porsche. What a car you built.
     
  19. LMFAO

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    I actually think your comment was trollish given known historical incidents.

    So where's the problem with allowing a customer car to take part?
     
  20. kingjr9000

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    I just realized something, Ron Dennis is saying that the P1 would lap as fast as an F1 car(lotus T125: 1:03/1:04). He's also saying that it'll lap faster than the zonda R, which could actually be possible. This should give you some examples of how much he exaggerated or maybe even lied about how fast it would be.

    List of Top Gear test track Power Lap Times - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  21. kingjr9000

    kingjr9000 Formula 3

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    Times of the laferrari or the others?
     
  22. 330i

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    Let me start by saying that while I have a "thing" for Ferrari road cars, I love sports cars, all of them. Bravo to the three companies for making these cars.
    But...
    Kudos to Porsche. They are willing to put their money where their mouth is. Shame to Macca and Ferrari for coming up with roadblocks. One, Macca, does not want to provide a factory car so it can blame the customer car set up for an eventual loss. The other, Ferrari, does not want a customer car so they can send the best set up car in the world with loads of tires and technicians.
     
  23. ajjers

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    Ron obviously meant the Star in Reasonably Priced Car record. For all his BS, Ron wouldn't try and claim that he PERSONALLY did a 1.04 at Dunsfold.

    It wasn't Ron's BS that surprised me most in all this, it was the BS from Chris Goodwin who said in his Chris Harris interview that the P1 was quicker than the GT3 cars on certain tracks and the only thing that could match the responsiveness of its engine was a formula 1 car. A respected driver like him should have had the restraint not to make claims that were obviously going to be proven false.
     
  24. kingjr9000

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    But that makes it even worse! Not even f1 drivers get below 1:30.

    Top Gear test track - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  25. REALZEUS

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    Obviously other F cars, but there is no evidence nor indications that a LaFerrari would be any different in that respect. May I bring to the attention of the "jury" the fact that the Enzo that rewrote R&T's record books back in 2003 was customer car?

    Cheers!
     

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