Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Indeed. Those Koenig-things are very fast in a straight line but that's the only thing they do. One trick ponies I should say. If I just wanted a dragster, I would get myself a 2000 HP Unlimited Racing Lambo and kill just about everything down the straights. The big 3 hypercars are much more interesting.

 

Reg braking and proper active torque vectoring. Are you listening McLaren?

Koenigsegg Regera preview - new hypercar to boast incredible 1500 bhp hybrid powertrain | Evo

 

All your arguments are a total waste of time because of a few reasons:

1. 918 has more weight and less HP
2. Even if the 918 is just as fast or slower it would be perfectly fine due to 1.
3. Matter of fact is, and that's embarassing for MC, it's faster (1 Lap, 10 Laps... who cares?)
4. AND matter of fact is that it is even faster without Trofeo R like tires

MC failed so hard at this piss contest that it's not even funny. There's nothing to argue about. 918 shouldn't even be considered faster just by looking at it's specs.

All you argue about, LMAO, is pointless. Totally pointless.

Move on...

 

How do you figure? These are very good times and they are from 8-10 years ago.

NS
39. Koenigsegg CCX 7:33.55 164 '06 806 / 1456
40. Koenigsegg CCR 7:34.00 163 '04 806 / 1418

Hockenheim
34. Koenigsegg CCR 1:09.80 134 '04 806 / 1418

TG
14. Koenigsegg CCX 1:17.60 131 '06 806 / 1456

 

I really like the exhaust and the brake light.

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The fact that the Enzo with 150 HP less and a broken damper did a 7:25 proves my point, thank you very much.

 

Enzo with broken damper didn't do it in 2004. It had the latest tires on it if I'm not mistaken, and was done in 2008 or 2009. I forget. Enzo also weighs like 200 lbs less than the Koenigsegg, so the extra 150hp doesn't translate directly.

Carrera GT during that test was 7:28 whereas it was 7:32 when the car first came out. Probably quite a bit quicker even today now that Porsche released a new tire for it last year.

Besides, the Koenigsegg put 1.5s on the Enzo on the TG track. It is what it is, but it's anything other than a one trick poney. Their cars have always been very capable on the track. To say otherwise is nonsense. You're also attempting belittle Koenigsegg by comparing a guy with a small facility in Sweden building more or less one-offs to a multi-billion dollar, massive corporation whose expertise is high performance and motorsport. Even being in the same sentence is far more impressive for the Koenigsegg than it is for Ferrari. How much time and money did Ferrari have to spend on the Enzo?

There's really no way to spin it: Koenigsegg has made cars very competent and capable on the track.

 

Oh really?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svxRpqeqFRY

It seems that you are in love with them, but the fact of the matter is that they are underdeveloped dragsters.

 

Yes, really. BTW, I think the top comes off this car too...

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So Michelin Pilot Super Sport is now available as OEM on the LaFerrari?

LaFerrari - Michelin Pilot Super Sport

 

The Agera has been around for a number of years now. Where are any lap times for it? The only clips I ever see of it are straight line drag races with Bugatti or 918. Does it even come with a steering wheel?

 

New 'egg Regera

Over 1500 bhp and 2000 Nm of torque
It manages 3.2 seconds between 150 to 250 Km/h, with a full 0-400 km/h sprint taking less than 20 seconds.

Amazing numbers

 

How many Zonda lap times are there? The cars cost a fortune and come from very small companies with low production numbers. Outside of a few super famous publications like Top Gear, I don't imagine they are sending cars out for tests that often. I wouldn't even be surprised if they only had a handful of test cars in the first place, let alone test cars that were true to production form.

I remember seeing a video from Zonda's factory and one of their current cars was a hodgepodge of all kind of stuff they were testing. Had 1M km on it. It's unlikely they keep millions of dollars tied up in production spec test cars when their production and engineering capacity is so limited in the first place. I think I read that the design for this car's hybrid system was only 8 months in the making. I'm sure as hell not going to be a beta tester of such technology at that price, but it goes to show how quickly they move and why they probably don't do many tests unless a customer is going to do it.

And besides, Ferrari doesn't even lend their halo cars to magazine, so one would equally question whether those have steering wheels, no?

 

Obviously there are pros and cons to weight. Pros, better traction from AWD. Cons, lower PWR at higher speeds. The overall package is what it is, so that's not an excuse.

Trofeo R does not give an advantage against MPSC2 N0 (Porsche) tyres, unless you put the wrong pressure in them (e.g. Chris Harris test), furthermore the 918 at Laguna used the new N1 (Porsche) tyres, as fitted to the GT3 RS. Hence why all the cornering speeds are better in the lower speed corners and the car is braking faster at 60mph. Got that, tyre advantage Porsche.

P1 vs 918 - Page 24 - McLaren Life

Got that, they were supposed to run multiple laps, Porsche bottled out.

Porsche are not only chickens, they are 'battery' chickens.

 

Zonda F track times:
top gear track: 1:18.40
Nordschliefe: 7:33.00
Hockenheim (Short course): 1:10.80

The easiest thing for a custom manufacturer to build is a car that goes fast in a straight line - make the car light as possible (disregard all creature comforts), and put in the biggest most powerful engine available. That's how US drag racers work. Having it handle well around corners quickly is another matter altogether.

 

Well, I've never driven one so I can't say how good or bad it is, however there is an owner on here who has one. His name is Webster I think (at least it is on other forums,) and he drives/drove for Aston Martin at 24h Le Mans and won his class last year IIRC. He has said the car is amazing and I'm inclined to think he knows what he's talking about.

He also has a Zonda, CGT, and a bunch of other stuff so along with his racing credibility I'm inclined to believe he knows what he's talking about and wouldn't spend $1-2M on a car that sucked or just went fast in a straight line.

 

Pilot SS =/= Pilot SC2

 

No, but you would wonder why they bothered.

 

Who here is sick with all the talk of tires? Can't we move on to something more interesting, like say, spark plugs?

 

Sounds like a good driver - maybe he can get some lap times posted for the Agera so we can compare something other than straight line acceleration and top speed?

 

Man, whoever said it.....roughly 15 pages ago really was on point. The arrival of this LMFAO kid really was going to clog, clutter, and basically destroy this thread. His arguments arnt even fun. At least before him we had regular check ins from actual owners of the (two) cars in question. Now nothing.

 

I don't imagine that will happen. I think he once said something to the gist of having no real interest in tracking it because of just how far removed it is from real race cars. Don't quote me on that, but it makes sense considering what he's usually driving on the track. 918/LF/P1/Ksegg/Zonda... probably not so special if you're used to racing in GT3 and LMP cars. Even if he did though, it's highly unlikely it would have been timed in any comparable way or on the same tracks. I think he once mentioned driving it at Ascari, but maybe that was the Zonda. Don't remember.

I'm not totally sure if he's a member of Fchat, but maybe he will chime in on this in the rather rare event he sees the thread.

 

He probably has much better things to do with his time than read all this drivel!

 

Do you have a headache Emu, Mycroft, Sloser ?
Do you have problem to understand my chart ? Poor kid you want to be smart but you lack basics.
It’s simple formulae to calculate load transfer due to a lateral acceleration.
Physic dunce Watson, physic
Which program you are talking about ? Are you able to read Wikipedia ?
Weight transfer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
An what do you think it happens to the weight during acceleration ?
It vanishes into thin air 'because it’s mclaren’ ?
Just putting infos from P1 press release. Over 2g that need all 600 kg of downforce (exacty +40% static weight) .To not overload tires, just determined the needed CoG height.
See the picture, taken the rim dimension and tire sidewall height as reference points
I’m essentially showing to you that downforce data of the P1 are the only bollox here.
I am rather impatient to see MotorTrend issue to check ‘the alleged aero advantage ìn T6’ +10% downforce.
Can not wait.
PS :
Data working well with the 918 with 215 kg available for downforce. Sport auto shows 145kg@200kmh
So strange. With Porsche all is working perfectly.
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I have never seen a person living in denial like you
You just manipulate all datas at will, Like a modern soviet PRAVDA
LOL 5% Fuel tank ... to run from the start to the end of the Pit lane ?

Structural sizing of any car is done with the max admissible load
Full tank + passengers + luggage =1490 +190 kg

Wheel Track, you need the F/R average

The rear P1 tire have Load index 101Y, don’t use aftermarket tire SVP

Results = COG at 0,16m from the Ground.

Lol Because Mclaren