Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

First Chris Harris, now Jeremy. What a bunch of ******* McLaren and Ferrari are. I can't believe they will ban a loyal customer from ever purchasing their top end model again if they let Top Gear test the LaFerrari on the track, and McLaren.....you tested your car on that track, you honed it on that track, yet you are scared to let them run your car on it for a time on the wall.....shameful.

Meanwhile, the Porsche sits there, waiting. I'd buy the Porsche, not just because it has a classic design and a gorgeous interior, but just on principle alone.

 

Actually it wasn't. The original objective agreed between Treynor and MT was multiple laps. Porsche bottled out because they were all too aware of their deficiencies in that area.

P1 vs 918 - Page 24 - McLaren Life

 

No.
This was only Treynor's wish for that day.
MT exists before the P1 and they have testing procedure for ages...
Top Gear also exist much before McLaren Automotive and they also have testing procedure...
On the other hand, Porsche at least have WS pack for maximum performance on the track.

Neither of the above medias are forced to change their way of doing things for ages, just to satisfy 5-10 Mac fans.

Not to mention, that doing track days with million dollar cars is... just beyond stupid, imv...

 

Does anyone know when Motortrend is going to release the full article and video on the 918 vs P1?

 

I take your point but what I guess I'm trying to say is that Koenigsegg continue to produce ever more impressive PWR's and we are yet to see any track benefit. On paper, the CCX should have been significantly quicker than the Enzo et al and so being slightly slower was actually a dissapointment. Similarly, on paper the Agera R and definitley the One:1 should be much quicker than the P1 et al.

Given that unlike Pagani, Koenigsegg struggle to sell cars and that they suffer from far weaker residuals, the absence of track data is in my view something of a red flag. Porsche were struggling to sell the 918, so they went to pretty much every track on the planet, broke the lap record and bingo the 918 sold out. Hardly a genius piece of marketing if your car can actually deliver the performance.

Having said all that, the Regera really does look like a game changer.

 

Does anyone know when the MT article comes out?

 

Treynor said somewhere around may.

 

No it was the conditions he set for agreeing to the test and they agreed to it. hence why we still have traces irrelevant of Porsche co-operation. MT just ignored them and did it anyway.

The Weissach Pack is a bigger waste of money than Greece. Save <2% weight, a lot less with driver. Negligible. The new N1 tyres made a bigger difference.

Bold bit - Yes, I'm not surprised to read that here. But actually lots of McLaren owners track their car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV-gz0KqjMI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ_j2DOEJIg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa08mXthOaQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b7iphoffuM

It's generally those with fragile ****boxes that don't.

 

Koenigsegg Regera have no gearbox?

 

Nope.

 

how this work?

 

Regera joins the fray
Koenigsegg - Geneva 2015 | PistonHeads

 

700hp and 900nm tq instantly available from the electric motors. When you have all this power with another 1100hp /1250 nm from an engine you don't need a gearbox.

 

Good god

 

Kudos to koenigsegg. Fantastic effort and no need for shills talking nonsense on the interweb. Top 3 hyperhybrid, easily

 

sound need to be really bad

 

The car will stage the electric motors: first the rear two (480hp) come on, then once the speed rises to double digits the torque converter starts to engage so the third electric motor on the crank can start to drive the rear wheels (and the engine) which is another 214 hp, then after 30 mph or so the engine kicks in finally.

 

How long before hybrid turbos on street cars (currently used in F1), no turbo lag due to an electric motor in the turbo spinning it up at lower exhaust flow levels

 

Even F1 pilots complain about some kind of lag though...

 

first electric assisted turbo next year on the new Audi Q7.

 

I&#8217;m very sorry to inform you that your calculation are wrong.
Neglecting the &#8216; rookie&#8217; error not dividing by 2 the rim size (LOL) You forget that in sport mode P1 ride much higher than the 918 as everyone can see from the picture.
The 918 is under the 100 mm of front ground clearance as its predecessor Carrera GT (92 mm) While the P1 run (in RACE Mode) at about 3 inches (76 mm)
So all your statement are junk, also taking in count of the P1 battery pack stacked vertically at the back of the passenger compartment.
Every structural part of a car is calculate for fatigue resistance at admissible load max.
Unless you don&#8217;t have in the P1 owner&#8217;s manual a sentence like &#8216; Please don&#8217;t attempt to turn 2g if you have a passenger and you ate too much and please be sure an aftermarket tire rated 103Y Is fitted on the rear &#8217; the Mclaren press figures are bollox as you poor attempt to save the face using false weight figure or only rear track width.
A P1 have been weighted at 1575Kg with driver and 90% of fuel (See Macca forum).
We are talking of sustained g and not g peak. G peak is influenced by tire slipping and acquisition frequency of the equipment.
I don&#8217;t know what your are doing in life apart spamming internet forum, personally I well know Mclaren as a supplier and from 2005 (Mclaren - Mercedes SLR)
last but no least

LAGUNA SECA fastest lap Holder : PORSCHE 918 Spyder
The panel for who thinks to be the fastest on a ideal circuits with 2 g bends is in the ladies room

Cheer

Luque
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1. No rookie error, divided rim by 2 but then factored for lower pressure in tyres due to lighter weight.

2. Clearance =! CoG height (or necessarily have any relationship to it, but keep trying).

3. Calculation is for peak performance.

4. Yes it's likely that someone will pull 2g with a passenger and a shipment of pies and not feel any give before the limit.

5. Seem Macca forum and no, you're talking complete horse**** as per usual, see pictures.

TopGearUK - LaFerrari vs McLaren P1 vs Porsche 918 - Page 6 - McLaren Life

Meanwhile:

OFFICIAL - Porsche 918 Spyder | Page 41 | GermanCarForum

6. 2g has already been done. Sustained was measured not slip.

7. Laguna Seca is a low speed, low aero track so obviously you won't see 2g there, but the P1 was fastest in T6, the fastest corner. 918 was 1s faster than last time it ran on N0 (Porsche) Cup 2s in summer, because it used N1 (Porsche) Cup 2s, as fitted to the 991 GT3 RS. P1 still had the fastest sector time combination and had a faster sustained pace. Also beat the 918 time set on N0 Cup 2s.

8. I do enjoy your random, meaningless pictures.

Anglesey Coastal Lap Record Holder by 1.2s, despite wrong over-inflated tyres that can cause a second or more of difference.

Unofficially Top Gear Lap Record Holder

Customer unofficially breaks Top Gear lap record in P1 with passenger on first lap whilst holding a conversation on Corsa System tyres (1:17-2:30 in video below- 1:13.0), beating cheater slick Huayra. Tyres did not overload, sweat was not broken.

Huayra cut slicks:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/113022754402/pagani-responds-to-accusations-of-cheating-on-top-gear

http://jalopnik.com/did-the-pagani-huayra-cheat-to-set-its-record-lap-time-450522444

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KZdM8WSiQY[/ame]

Ta ta, sweet dreams bull****ter.
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Lol oh yes ? Ah ah ah ah. grasping at straw again ?
Ehi genius rolling radius depend from radial stiffness of the tires that is directly proportional to load index (93 vs 95 in front 101 vs 103) . You are a bit confused but just a little bit.
More pop corn please !!
Said that it was you to state the P1 CoG was at least 50 mm lower than the one of 918 because of the race mode (ahahahaha) forgetting the P1 in sport mode is at 580 mm to ground, we arrive to the weight debate and
ta ta !!
The P1 is a pork !! Ehi Bro, 1539 Kg with fuel !! I Thought it was 1490 Kg. I update my chart
1539 + 70 + 70 + 50 = 1729 Kg of max load and CoG have to at 0,146 m.
Cool. Devil of Mclaren Engineering,
I think the P1 replacement will have the CoG underground.

A Frozen Bier SVP !!!

Ehm ehm. No No may friend. Laguna Seca : Porsche 918 faster
For all the excuses, ladies room is the right place for the discussion

What ? P1 Unofficially Top Gear Lap Record Holder ??
ehi bro u mad
The unofficially Top Gear Lap Record Holder is of the Ultima GTR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdAz2sbUm3E
It is by far less expensive than the P1 and most important thing, Ultima lapped with standing start.
Do you forget this small detail of few seconds per lap ?

Cheer Bro !

Luque

PS :
2g who, where, when, ? Ah in the press release. Keep dreamin
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Who wants to pass me the popcorn?

I am eagerly waiting in line to see the mostly expected come back from LMFAO.

 

The unofficial top gear lap record holder that doesn't want to face 918 there!?

:Insert Seinfeld's laugh from Jon Voight's car episode here: