Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

Spent some time in my 918 today, round the PEC in the Uk Silverstone and on road. Race mode in the 918 is about the same as race in the P1. Hot lap mode takes it above the P1.

With regard to the batts recharging, never a problem at any time, even in e-mode on the road, when its down to 20% just put into sport mode 10mins later back up to 75-80%

Done 6 laps of Silverstone in HL mode, could not even get to 40% Batts, the Re- gen from the brakes is massive...but to be fair I was at 7/10s max.....

 

No it doesn't though. Check out the difference between gantry and bridge on Dottinger between the lap done by Marc Lieb and the one done by HvS of Sport Auto. HvS used HL on Dottinger, Marc Lieb used it earlier in the lap. 3s difference.

Marc Lieb
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HvS
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Why do you think moves the fluid around? God's will?

How big is the 918 battery pack compared to the one in the P1 given that it's effectively moving charge at twice the rate in HL mode? How heavy is it? Why did it catch fire? Ever considered these things. The P1's battery pack just isn't as big/heavy to make the difference you're assuming it does. Meanwhile the engine top and the valvetrain (cams, pulleys etc) sits 10mm lower, the wheel radius 12.7m smaller, less air in tyres, 50mm lower in race mode.

Look pretty low to me. Any lower and it'd be scraping the deck.

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So why don't you invite a magazine to do a test on two customer cars at Silverstone GP track then - yours and someone else's P1? Hot lap, then a few laps in succession. See if your bull**** holds up? Or maybe it's a race the 918 just can't win.

BTW, congrats for being nearly the only 918 track user.
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6.57. End of Story.

 

285kph (Lieb) vs 317kph (HvS), end of story, flat battery.

Every single figure that the 918 has generated, from lap times to acceleration times, was generated in a transient mode that only lasts for 2 minutes. Now that's what I call disingenuous. They could at least include an asterisk after them all with a warning, "Temporary performance only, please read the label."

 

Dude, seriously? You really claim hydraulic fluids weights more than a lithium battery pack?

And what does air in tire have to do with Cg? Once you inflated a tire to it's working pressure, the diameter is at the specified size, there is nothing else that will change it. Or what does catching fire has to do with Cg?

P1 has a smaller battery pack, but it still weights almost 100kg. and that 100kg is sitting 20" off the ground even in race mode, vs the 918's 200kg battery pack that sits 6" off the ground. This is the difference the P1 cannot make up and physically impossible for it to have a Cg lower than the 918. As for the top pipes on the 918, the WHOLE system only weights 29kg.

Also, stop assuming the P1's engine will have a lower height simply because it has a 10mm shorter stroke. It doesn't work that way. I haven't even got to the fact that the 12C platform means the P1 has to route the exhaust up and over in order to exit at the rear, putting everything above the wheel's centreline again, with the length of the metal used, it is likely even heavier than the whole 918 exhaust system. Oh, before you spew more non-sense, both systems are made with Inconel, so the weight of the metal is the same but the amount used is different. But those are inconsequential weight compared with the battery packs.

Stop doing the 50mm lower Race mode thing, we ARE already comparing the P1 AT Race mode.

Actually, just stop spewing nonsense. Stop dragging other stuff into a post just to fill it up with seemingly important points. They are not even close.

 

haahaaaa. quite right.

 

absolutely! can you believe the genius LMFAO thinks just because an engine has a 10mm shorter stroke means it sits lower in a chassis? haahaahaaa. you can't make up the utter stupidity now being sp-eewed!

LMFAO is absolutely getting pwned!!!

 

in the span of a few weeks and 100+ posts...you came, you saw, you BS'd HARDCORE, and you got pwned!!! you seriously ran out of BS to...well...to BS! thanks for the outrageous laughs.

As they say at the DMV... NEXT:

 

He is DONE, cook, toast, dabbaddabbda that's all folks.

 

I imagine where it sits is in large part based on axle height, where again the 918 is higher. So you have a 10mm taller engine sitting about an inch higher. But never mind because the battery sits low.....

What forum are you watching? Seems to me you just can't handle that the 918 has temporary performance and is prone to combustion, hence the repetitive denials despite conclusive evidence. The telemetry is fake... LOL! Bwahahahahaha! And the LaF does 0-300kph in 15.0s and has 700hp/ton, all the acceleration videos on YouTube had the brakes on. Porsche never cheat, unlike McLaren at Anglesey! Yet the customer P1 MT tested was 6mph faster on the straights against the PCNA 918, whereas the 918 Top Gear tested on Castelloli (same one Evo tested) was apparently faster than the P1 on the straights, or nearly as fast depending on whether they messed up the table. Whole load of bull**** from you squire!

DMV? More like the YMCA in your case.

 

I think we all need to let LMFAO spew his absolute nonsense, and not reply. If we reply, we are fuelling him up. I am as guilty as anyone. Let him say whatever nonsense about the 918 he wants and ignore it - at some point he will tire of the exercise and climb back under the rock that he comes from.

 

^or to find him a girl?

 

Go figure, someone actually with the cars shows up and he attacks them too. This person is literally a child. Its either that or its one of our more infamous mclaren friends under a different name where he doesnt have to worry about his reputation.
Id hate to tell you lmfao, but this summer im sure we will see plenty of comparos between the two and hopefully laferrari as well. There will be to many of these cars delivered by then to be able to control all of them. And it sounds like clarkson already has a strong lead on someone in the middle east willing to let them test the 3 cars. Your days of number comparing will be over once the rubber hits the road.

 

I hit reply before i saw this. I agree though. I wont be mentioning him again

 

I hope you're right and we do see some LaFerrari comparisons but at the moment owners live under threat of horse's head in bed treatment. Incomprehensible behaviour from Ferrari really. Testers have spoken highly of it even though we don't actually have any true figures.

FWIW I've just been pointing out that some members are flawed on their CoG estimates for the P1, being overly focused on the battery position rather than looking at other heavier items like the engine layout - 10mm lower in overall height than that 918, with the crank line sitting below the axle (which is itself ~20mm lower in the P1) along with the e-motor and transmission, also sitting below the axle line... even though it's clearly visible in their picture. The LaFerrari engine is only 5.2mm longer in stroke but uses a 65deg V, so the engine is still 14mm taller, the benefit of a narrower V being engine performance at high rpm. The LaFerrari has made up for this in other ways, like the more inclined seat position, removal of seat rail adjustment and lower roof, whereas the P1 opted for simply lowering the ride height by 50mm in Race Mode.

Apolo1 aka Citylad does not have a P1. He is well known elsewhere for his rampant Porsche shilling and excuses after Anglesey, including accusations of cheating. He has also crossed himself up on several occasions regarding the 918. E.g. he claimed the 918 'ring lap was done without using HL mode. He will quite literally say anything.

Here we go:

P1 vs 918 - Page 16 - McLaren Life

So what is this Apolo1/citylad? Is this HL mode being used, or a 918 running out of charge in Race Hybrid Mode after 6 minutes? Bull****ter!

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I mentioned another idea some pages ago. After post from him:

Quote and "ignore"!
He and his clonings deserve this...

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IGNORE.

 

Seriously, are you THAT naive? Or just plain clueless?

The stroke of an engine have no clear correlation with how tall an engine is, especially when you talk about only 10mm. even having a shorter block height still doesn't mean anything, cause the cylinder head assembly could have wildly different dimensions, maybe the P1 has a 10mm shorter block height but the 30mm extra height on the cylinder block? Have you even consider that possibility?

Did you also forget the 918 has a 'heavy' front drive assembly that's also below the wheel's centreline? That's another piece heavy equipment on the the 918 that helps it lower the Cg, another thing that the P1 doesn't have. Exactly why the P1 PHYSICALLY CANNOT have a lower Cg than the 918 even dropping 50mm in Race mode.

As for the Ferrari V12, it's a 12 cylinder engine, naturally balanced, whatever V angle it has makes absolutely zero difference on how it perform at high low mid whatever rpm. Ferrari choose 65 for packaging reason only.

My god, how old ARE you? Or what do you do for a living if you are in fact an adult.

Almost feel like you are Jason Voorhees.

 

Guys don't worry about, none of these three will touch the Regera - Koenigsegg | Koenigsegg

 

Maybe a bit over two minutes. But this is true.

I don't think the problem is with Porsche here, they have advertised this fact very clearly. The problem is with a lot of people that think that hot lap mode lasts forever.

 

Stunning and very clever

http://youtu.be/YWm8xEapjuQ

 

buying the fastest car is just an ego thing, just like trying to bench press 4 plates each side to amuse your friends at the gym.

I never took my Bugatti's over 300km yet to 400km !

All this talks here is about who bought the best and who got the best and who is right ..etc

Lack of confidence maybe ?!

because you should never justify what and why you bought your car.

You do what you like and like what you do, being a car enthusiast is far from all this actually it's nothing like this.

Mbn