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  1. Kiwi Nick

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    At this point that is as good an explanation as any, and if you could prove it everybody would be relieved.
     
  2. I beg to differ. Alonso is Asturian and only eats fabada.
    I'm blaming it on a bad morcilla... or way too mucha sidra.
     
  3. Ney

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    #178 Ney, Mar 6, 2015
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    Neuro...you may be just the man to suss this out. What would the physical manifestations of a significant lateral load placed on the cervical spine resulting in pressure on the spinal cord, similar to cervical myelopathy or cervical stenosis? It is early in the season and FA's neck muscles may not be in the same level of fitness as they would be mid or end of season allowing enough of a shift of the skull on the spinal column to pressure the spinal cord. My understanding is that loss of dexterity, balance problems and failure of other autonomic functions are the result of this type of weakness and spinal cord pressure. Of course, once the load is removed, the pressure would be removed and the spinal cord would again transmit neuron signals as necessary.

    It might explain the head tilting reported by some and it could be construed to be related to a concussion, but not a traditional concussion (ie. Shifting of the brain within the skull by deceleration resulting in bruising).

    http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=A00541
     
  4. Bas

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    From that BBC link it almost starts to read as an ''Alonso had a career ending crash hence he didn't win another championship''.

    In no way am I saying this is what is happening, I just got that vibe reading the article.
     
  5. Kiwi Nick

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    I honestly don't know. My background is pretty specialized to monoamine systems, psychiatric disease, and head injury. However, I don't think cervical spondylotic myelopathy is something that would take a highly performing athlete by surprise due to the immense focus placed upon monitoring their physical state. I imagine any physical when signing on to McLaren would have included a full body MRI which likely would have discovered any inflammation, disc degeneration, or injury to the spine or neck.

    My gut feeling is that in the unlikely event that something like this was going to affect him then it'd be during the heavy braking phase when drivers slide forwards in the seat and the spine is compressed as they submarine into the cockpit, rather than after the apex when they are accelerating and the G-forces are pulling them back and upwards. That's just a wild guess though on the very dubious assumption that he had a preexisting spinal condition.

    The memory loss that (hypothetically) resulted from the crash impact could be due to brain trauma affecting immediate/short-term memory. However, I would have expected scans to show some signs of injury in that event (minor swelling?) and the doctors said they found none. If Alonso really did lose 20 years and recovered the memories over a week, then perhaps the doctors and team are not being candid when they say the scans are normal. Normal for a healthy person, or normal for someone that has just had a head injury but is expected to recover? Although Ron Dennis said in his own bizarre way that Alonso was "devoid of all injuries", so that might rule that one out unless that's an outright lie.

    I honestly don't think there's enough information to make a reasonable guess. I feel pretty clueless on this one - sorry! :eek:

    All the best,
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  7. Kiwi Nick

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    #182 Kiwi Nick, Mar 6, 2015
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    DC implies that Alonso may have crashed because he "doesn't need to drive" this McLaren at the end of his career. DC's implication seems to be that, in boxing terms, Alonso took a dive and there are no medically detectable injuries or abnormal conditions to substantiate the cause of the crash or the supposed loss of memory.

    BBC Sport - Fernando Alonso crash doesn't add up - David Coulthard
     
  8. Bas

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    so he is thinking the same I started to think when reading the other BBC article...
     
  9. Kiwi Nick

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    If all this is true this is nothing short of utterly ****ing hilarious.

    How to completely ruin your reputation in 5 quick steps....
     
  11. PhilNotHill

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    1995? Pacemaker? Any other athletes compete with a pacemaker? Those little wires can come loose...especially with jolts and sudden stops. Not very conducive for a race car driver.
     
  12. nsxrebel

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    all this speculation is getting ridiculous
     
  13. TheMayor

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    And whose fault is that?

    The problem starts with McLaren because no one believes anything they say.
     
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    Mclaren has provided students with a case study on how NOT to run PR
     
  15. Kiwi Nick

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    Well, we seem to have a situation where none of the principals are believable, based on their past history. And the so called outside experts can find no reliable evidence. So...
     
  16. Bas

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    Everyone is asking questions. EVERYONE. Not just us arm chair experts...We've got team principals, ex F1 drivers, current F1 drivers (the GPDA), Bernie, neurosurgeons and the entire media etc all question what the actual **** is going on.

    Mclaren has either been avoiding the media and when they did speak, they lied or covered up something...

    If there is nothing wrong, Alonso can race. If there is something wrong, tell us what. Speculation ends. Don't say he's fine but won't race.

    Mclaren is desperate for a title sponsor (they'll be fine for this year, I suppose Honda might foot the bill somewhat). They are once again showing that their PR is worse than ****. It takes more than nice suits, clean shaved and speak as if you're from planet Polite & intelligent to prove you're a good investment, Ron Dennis...
     
  17. NürScud

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    Well said.
     
  18. singletrack

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    Sounds like Bernie is paving the way for him to leave McLaren - if those quotes are accurate.

    He says it "happened" to Alonso. In other words, was out of his hands.

    ...and that McLaren, "don't want to discuss it".

    Just adding more drama.
     
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    He wouldn't be the first F1 Champion faking a concussion to avoid driving a lemon
     
  20. kingjr9000

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    What are the chances that Alonso woupd move to Le Mans?
     
  21. NeuroBeaker

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    Really? Who else did it?

    All the best,
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    MS after testing the Ferrari for the injured Massa. Claiming still feeling the negative effects from his motor cycle accident 6 months earlier.

    While that might be possible the story becomes less believable when he then tested the MB only a few months later.
     
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    Are you still sticking to that stupidity?

    You can't accept that MONTHS later, he might have recovered enough to do something he couldn't do before?

    Weird...your blinded by something, but I don't know what.
     
  24. classic308

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    How can you tell when Ron Dennis is telling lies?
     
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    anytime he is breathing....
     

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