Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

You do realise this is a 918 vs p1 vs laferrari thread. It wouldn't continue on for this long if different people have different pov's with regards to these cars. Which comes back to your point of being a car enthusiast. Over enthusiasm in full boost here. Its all good fun and nothing serious in the end of the day.

Did you manage to drive the LF yet?

 

It's a step beyond for sure but still not sure how the battery recharges past 600 rpm

 

M
Hope you are well, you know my views on the P1, its a great car. But I have now had time to gel with the 918, M, its from another place. This is the only road car I have ever driven that has the 100% sound track of a V8 F1 engine.

The only other 2 cars that I have driven to come close the 918 from a fun to drive interaction point are the ZONDA 760RS and 98 F1 car..

I wish there was not a great big pond between us I would love to show you this car. I know that you have driven what you were told was a full power car....Sorry the customer cars feel 40% faster....

Whilst I have no idea if its actuality faster than a P1, from a emotional content point of view, sorry but in my view the P1 is not even in the conversation.

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Wrong.

Oh really?

Looks inline with the wheel centreline to me, which is higher up on the 918, and I don't see how adding extra heavy crap is beneficial to handling. And what happens to the driver's ass in Race Mode, that drops 50mm too, driver being as heavy as the battery, meanwhile the 918 driver sits higher up and more upright according to testers.

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I am merely here to educate.

 

The torque fill e-motor on the crank is used as a generator, once engine is up to speed

Nothing mechanical links an electric motor's armature to its can - it can either spin freely, generate electricity, or provide power simply based on what the electronics want it to.

In this system, you have an ICE that is in top gear all the time (via the diff). Since that would result in lethargic low-speed performance, they've implemented an electric motor ("E-machine") to provide that low-end grunt. When the ICE finally gets into its powerband, the electronics cut power to the crank E-machine and it's either spinning freely, or generating electricity for the batteries. It's a 1-speed conventional car with an electric motor to get it into its powerband, The hydraulic coupling really isn't a torque converter, it doesn't slush. There is no torque multiplication going on. I believe it's only purpose is to absorb shock. With a Prius you don't need that, but with, what, 700hp "suddenly" coming online, something has to ameliorate it. The effect of perpetual clutch drops wouldn't be good for anything..

 

Customer cars fell 40% faster, so 1260hp then. Hmmm..... Funny because the one PCNA tested on Laguna is the latest customer spec, only the Weissach version going round magazines in Europe is hotted up, hence the 6-7 mph difference in straight speed relative to the P1 vs the Laguna test.

Pinch of salt. I'll just leave this here until you explain yourself.

P1 vs 918 - Page 16 - McLaren Life

So what is this Apolo1/citylad? Is this HL mode being used, or a 918 running out of charge in Race Hybrid Mode after 6 minutes? Bull****ter!

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You are a knowledgeable chap but I am afraid this is incorrect. The optimum V angle for a V12 is 65 degrees. For a V8 it is 90 degrees.

 

Even Koenigsegg himself says that this is a GT and not a pure sportscar. He said that the Agera RS is his track car. IMHO it is just another dragster...

 

There are actually several elements to consider wrt optimum V angle:

Engine performance (<90deg);
Stiffness (~90deg);
CoG (>90deg);

The best compromise between all 3 is seen to be 90deg in F1.

 

Tyres are flexible ? Damn you are so smart, I thought the P1 was running on 4 form of cheddar cheese.
Inflation pressure for each tire depends by the tire design of each manufacturer
Everyone knows the Pirelli have stiffer shoulders in comparison to Michelin
Below the F12 berlinetta approved tire, Michelin use higher cold pressure.
Now please explain to the F12&#8217;s owner how much they can lower CoG using Pirelli
Lol. Please go on, your nerd explanation are a hoot.

I repost what you wrote :

Having said the junk you posted about tires, these are yours made up figures.
What a pity there is only 0,5 inches differences of ride height between the P1 in race mode and the 918 so the 3 inches difference is just coming from your sick mind.
You can grasp at straws all the times you want, even putting mickey mouse weight or stick to p1 to four balloons.
I have technically showed to you Mclaren press release datas are pure rubbish.
That&#8217;s why the P1 have lost every ALL TIMES against the fatty 918 Cabrio.
Rendev vous to the next P1 debacle.
Castelloli ??? Ahahahahaha
A Standing start in top gear test is not negligible it&#8217;s at least 2,5 &#8211; 3s gap.
Next time You may use movie moker to accelerate the video so your childish pride will be satisfied.

Cheer

Luque

PS Still waiting for a P1 top gear lap time (Mclaren&#8217;s own proving ground ) We expect 10 seconds faster as RD said.
I suppose I will see before the halley comet (Next perihelion predicted 28 July 2061)
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Cog per se means nothing anyway. If the P1 is narrower and has smaller wheels, even with same cog, it will perform worse. And without taking in consideration 918's 4ws which helps it even more.

 

Sure I'm cool man nothing serious, for 15 years online I never took anything perosnally nor underestimated anyone, it just the name calling that I sometimes dislike and I'm sure anyone here would agree.

Yes I drove the LaFerrari here is what felt that day:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/143711161-post15514.html

Im 6'2 going into my cutting phase I was about 257lbs and I really was surprised I could get in and out easy.

I couldn't run it to its maximum it wasn't mine and drove it with dealer plates.

Mbn

 

I respect your view as I said always buy and like what you perosnally like, it's not my job to convince you as long as you happy trust me I'm happy for you, Im so in love witth my P1 and I'm expecting my 918 WP soon so I have no agenda here.



also I'm not stranger to Pagani as I'm a Pagani F CS owner and my relationship with the factory and Mr.Pagani is beyond words and he is a dear friend to me along with few friends there that I talk to.

We spoke lately about a project but I'm waiting for some free time to visit the factory.

so trust me I'm the last one to contemptuous any Company.

Mbn

I only see cars differently

 

Not quite. There is a scientific reason and has to do with balancing and firing order: The Physics of Engine Cylinder-Bank Angles - Feature - Car and Driver

 

why do you ignore the fact, that the car that set the ring time was a pre optimised car, also several modes were used on the ring run...

Think you have a problem with that I have real world actual time in my car, that is at odds with the rubbish you post on here............Lol.......

 

So why is the maximum loading for the Cup 2s on the 458S higher than the PZCS for the 650S?

Couldn't care less about F12s.

Nope you are just clutching at straws. Smaller diameter wheels, 10mm shorter engine block vertically, crank line sits below axle line, electric motor sits below crank line, transmission lower than axle line, as shown in drawings above. Race Mode lowers car by 50mm putting driver pelvis and chassis CoG below axle line.. Therefore much lower CoG than 918. Lighter battery.

Seems to be you grasping at straws Mickey Mouse. I've shown you the calculation and the P1 has demonstrated turning g around 2 in real life tests held by magazines.
Seems to me the P1 won at Anglesey Coastal by 1.3s (1.8%) on a 72s lap and the 918 won by 0.8s (0.9%) on a 90s lap. I think that puts the P1 ahead.

Well a customer has already casually ran a 1:13 with a passenger whilst holding a relaxed conversation.

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I'm glad you mentioned that. Please explain the following:

Porsche 918 from PCNA is 6mph slower than a customer P1 on straights. Factory 918 touring the magazine tests in Europe is 2mph faster. A difference of a whole 8mph! Now you ask anyone who does drag racing and they'll tell you that if a car, claiming to be stock, traps 8mph faster, it's cheating. It's no wonder McLaren insist on customer cars, Porsche Europe are cheating bastards, caught with their pants down!

Same 918 the P1 beat at Anglesey.
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See here:

The Physics of Engine Cylinder-Bank Angles - Feature - Car and Driver


edit: seeing you quoted the exact same article, you have likely read the section on the V12s

For V12s while it doesn't matter for the V-angle, and conventional wisdom puts all normal V12s at 60 degree as some of those came from bolting together 2 60 degree V6s, Ferrari went 65 to lower the Cg. They could have gone back to the flat 12s but that would pose some packaging issues.

 

Not necessarily, depends on the contact patch size and shape. The P1 is a lighter car so doesn't need tyres as large. Extra unsprung mass is not a help.

 

Look, Jason here knows how to use Google to search internet and find articles, cool.

You do realized linking an article doesn't means it has substances to support your fantasy world right?

Anyway, I think replying to you here is like play Whack-A-Mole. You keep popping back up.

Fun game.

 

Okay, I agreed with most of that but it only looks at engine balancing and packaging. Balancing is what basically increases engine performance but there's more to consider than that, packaging is one thing, but CoG and stiffness is another. In F1 they ran 90deg bank angles even with the V10s because it was the best compromise for performance, stiffness and CoG. For engine performance alone, 72deg would have been the best angle.

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Oh bull****, you lied plain and simple. Why optimise it, I thought the 918 gained charge even in HL mode?

COMPARISON TESTS - Porsche 918 vs McLaren P1 vs LaFerrari - TopGear, EVO etc | Page 52 | GermanCarForum

So what are you now saying, the car was optimised to partly use HL without actually selecting it, hence why charge ran down compared to RH. But even though the car was optimised, and hence non-standard in this regard, you claim it could go faster than optimum?

P1 vs 918 - Page 14 - McLaren Life

Who talks rubbish again old chap?

Is there brake regen in HL mode? Sure someone else said there wasn't???

 

Nice article. Cheers.

 

interesting

Mclaren MP4 12C P1 | eBay

 

Something fishy. 3 feedbacks as a seller and smooth mispelled both times

 

of cause there is re-gen in HL mode brakes only, and loads of it....As for the optimised car, this was announced in the press.....