Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

And he's trying to insinuate that Randy Fuggin Pobst was the one screwing up his beloved vehicles results, as if anyone else would be a better or more practical choice. Is this a road car or a race car? Maybe some have forgotten.

What levels are we going to (as McLaren) to try to make excuses for this vehicle, and/or make it perform better.

So now Randy Pobst (not only a pro race car driver, but a guy that drives different high powered consumer cars on at Laguna Seca for MT on the regular) is unfamiliar with the P1, not good enough? You can't make this up.

And yes, it's over. I wouldn't have even responded with out the idiotic Randy Pobst reference.

 

All I see is this.


Laguna Seca (Motor Trend)
Porsche 1:29.9
McLaren: 1:30.7

 

Learn to read between the lines:

When lapping P1:
2015 McLaren P1 vs. 2015 Porsche 918 Spyder Comparison - Motor Trend Page 2

Nice try though, oh disingenuous one.

 

Laguna Seca (Motor Trend)
Porsche 1:29.9
McLaren: 1:30.7

 

That's fair enough and those were the results, but let's not misrepresent the other facts.

 

I don't blame him, he did his best, but hell, driving a 900hp MR car isn't easy, and you don't reach perfection in one afternoon, as the data trace shows.

 

It's over (though I do find your meltdowns, BS entertaining).

Let it go/Step away from the ledge!!

 

They were not the fastest laps as the supplier of the data mentioned, it was done to show battery charge depletion of the 918 in HL mode. The P1 wasn't faster in the corners on those graphs either if you look (except for one). In the fastest lap, it was slower in that corner but faster in a couple of others.

This demonstrates the human element of a test. This is a 900hp RWD car on road tyres. 10 years ago, it wouldn't even have worked at all but even today, no driver will get to grips with it in one afternoon, not Randy Pobst, not Sebastian Vettel, not Lewis Hamilton. It's just difficult to drive 900hp mid-engined RWD cars at these speeds, especially on road tyres, which is something you can't explain to many dumbasses on this site. You try explain it and they accuse you of insulting an excellent driver but the data trace, combined with traces from other laps show that there is a human factor.

 

For clarity, here is my actual original post without the kid's edits.

 

Oh please don't get me started on Evo. At least MT do proper tests with good data and constructive comments. Evo just talk ****e. Lukey/Luque/Ibonu67 also said that PZeros were better than Pilot Super Sport, something that even me and Apolo1/citylad agree is incorrect. Evo also treated them as comparable in the first 12C test, just as they treat Cup 2 and Corsa System as comparable. They don't have a ****ing clue. Bovingdon is a good driver but that's where it ends. Almost nothing he says is worth listening too.

 

For clarity I've edited it again to reflect reality. Isn't it amazing how you accept the P1 Laguna Seca time on the same tyres as it beat the P1 with at Anglesey, but not the Anglesey time, where you insist on using the Corsa System time, knowing full well Corsa Systems are about 2s slower than Cup 2s. Next you quote a P1 time at Autocar, which was also set on Corsa System and on a damp track.

Seriously, I have no problem with the P1 losing but let's at least try and represent reality here.

Here is the bull****ter's post without the bull****:

 

MPSC2s, are by far the best track tire I have ever used, the only one better is the D2s, and that's talking form a wet weather point of view.....

Pzeros, wonderful road tire, on track they just die after 6 laps in a TTS, they just over heat.....rear pressures go to over 55psi, in a blink

On this ABS point, in the dry on the 918 braking from 175 was not able to engage the ABS, just one good stab, then reduce pressure and turn in. Don't know about in the wet, GT3 in the wet lives on its ABS...

btw, if anything the 918 scrubbed to much speed of to soon.......

 

Too close to call between those two.. I think what's making people a bit uncomfortable is that the 918 can actually put up a proper challenge.

I was made to believe that the P1 will be on a different level when it came to track times to the point where the 918 wasn't even in the same conversation.

Its pretty obvious that the reality is very different, and I suggest we all accept the fact and move forward

 

Since the article is out, I also add this to further clarify the situation:

The 918 used 1 set of MPSC2 "N0" spec tire at the test and is an actual production car (number 134/918), not a pre-production car like some of you were speculating. It is a non-weissach car with the optional magnesium wheel. The MPSC2 was not heat-cycled.

The P1 used 2 sets of the Trofeo R tire at the test, which was heat-cycled.

 

Yeah, but that wasn't part of the dialogue that was avoided by various posters (as you're doing now).

What Lukey posted was directly related to the test and both vehicles. You know those pesky facts, past events, etc..

If anything, one can argue Evo was very kind and protected McLaren and the P1 greatly (not withstanding any particular irregularities with Bovington you may have experienced or conjured up).

 

Keep it coming LMFAO, you can be denial all you want. But the fact of the matter is:

The 918 used 1 set of MPSC2 "N0" spec tire at the test and was not heat-cycled.

The P1 used 2 sets of the Trofeo R tire at the test, which was heat-cycled.

Both cars are production cars. The 918 used at the test was a standard 918, not even the Weissach version, which will be even faster.

In the MT article, Porsche states the standard 918 can go even faster if they had the same amount of tire pressure tweaking like they did with the P1. Mclaren had 2 sets of tires at the test, Porsche went only with 1 set of tires. Porsche laid down the benchmark and Mclaren went scrambling trying to match the time. It couldn't. Deal with it!

 

Game, Set Match; it's over/done!!

 

To add more fuel to the fire

"The McLaren people change tire pressures. An engineer says the Pirellis take four or five adjustments before they settle. The P1 goes out for more laps and comes in for more adjustments. On goes another set of Trofeo Rs. More laps. More pressure changes. The best the P1 does is a 1:30.71..."

"Further, Porsche reckons the 918 would be even faster with the same effort put into the McLaren's tires and pressures."

 

Yes, Lagos (IMHO) could have done a better job explaining that such things as: 1) Race Mode can't be used on the road. 2) It was a non Weissach car. 3) The difference between the two tires, mind you the tweaking, etc.. And now you're adding stuff, most folks weren't probably even aware of, making McLaren and the P1 look worse. But it's kool, You can see he was trying to bend over backwards to be accommodating (even quoting McLaren downforce statistics, alleged weight difference, and previous acceleration times).

Motor Trend (as most mags it appears when McLaren's involved), were very kind to them. But of course, some folks are still mad and crucify them, nonetheless (as Evo).

 

Yeah, it's like the 918 ran two laps, done! New Record.

Then it appeared MT allowed McLaren to run the P1 ad nauseum with multiple adjustments (trying to) but still couldn't beat it.

It was almost like the Evo re-do Part Deaux. Except this time, they tweaked the Trofeo's (which were already on from the get go) as much as possible on the same day while Porsche got to witness the festivities and hijinks upfront.

You can't make this up. Now we know why the focus was on other things the past few weeks. LOL

 

I am sure the P1 will be "suspiciosly" faster in the Top Gear test, though.

 

Carlos Lago is on reddit and he is responding to the test questions over there.

hope its okay to link to reddit here.
2015 McLaren P1 vs. 2015 Porsche 918 Spyder Head to Head Track Test : cars

 

So to summarize the 918:
- has less horsepower
- is heavier
- is at least $300K US cheaper

than the P1, and still wins every head to head track test (except for drag race).

Therefore, Whoopsy, Apolo1, Unotaz and other 918 owners: You stole your cars! You need to send Porsche a cheque for at least $300K immediately or the guilt might overcome you and you won't be able to sleep at night.

 

I think it's the other way around and P1 owners shoud ask for 600 back

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