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2005 430 6spd..... UNBELIEVABLE!

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  1. Juice It

    Juice It F1 Rookie

    Sep 22, 2002
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    Maryland (DC Suburb)
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    Jeff
    It is sad to say but at this point does anyone truly believe anything a seller says about a car enough to not have it checked out independently? I have bought cars from good people and cars from people I would not have a drink with. Either way I have the car checked out to make sure I know what I am getting. Even sellers with great intentions don't know what may pop up.
     
  2. MS250

    MS250 Two Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa

    Dec 10, 2003
    26,651
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    Avvocato
    I don't have a dog in this fight .... But I can't help myself to comment.

    Though I understand the frustration and the start of this thread,what I don't understand, Is that a sponsor , car dealer apologized, yet, the mob lynching continues.

    It is beyond comprehension to me when I read the remaining posts, I guess an apology means nothing in today's environment, it's all about burning at the stake.

    A sad day in the business world when everyone and every company is judged to be 100% at all times. When did perfect become mandatory? Misleading, ok, granted.

    I suspect the dealer has learned a valuable lesson, and will move forward to correct their action to better serve his/her clients down the road, but is it really necessary to shame and carry this forward to a higher level all over the web ?

    If you don't want to deal with them, just don't buy a car .... Seems simple enough to me.
     
  3. jrtaylor9

    jrtaylor9 Rookie

    Feb 28, 2015
    37
    Nick, I'm not going to flame you or pass moral judgement on you. I am/was interested in this car. I was the 2nd guy behind you at exotic classics; if you hadn't wired money that Monday, I was their next call. I probably liked it enough that paying you the 1st mover/flipper premium wouldn't really bother me. You do this for a living. I'm just an enthusiast and don't mind paying a dealer for their services. I've done it many times before. That being said, I'll probably pass on your car now because buying toys like this is a fickle/emotional process. And the approach you took on the forum is enough to cause me to pause and wait for the next one. So, again, I'm not going to pass judgement on you as a human being but I likely will pass on your car. I'm sure you will sell it regardless. But it would have been a QUICK, painless flip with me.


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  4. stokpro

    stokpro F1 Rookie
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Jun 25, 2003
    4,384
    Himalayas
  5. MASR04

    MASR04 Formula 3

    Feb 20, 2013
    1,515
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    Sean
    I respect him for leaving.
     
  6. AlfistaPortoghese

    AlfistaPortoghese Moderator
    Lifetime Rossa

    Mar 18, 2014
    3,778
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    Nuno
    Misleading, confusing, strange... All granted.

    I still think the response the community gave wasn't proportional to the mistake made by the seller, who assumed it, apologised and gracefully left.

    Afterall, we're the same community that willingly accepted and encouraged this kind of mindless crap by a seller:

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/ferraris/461326-92-348ts-sale-w-salvage-title.html

    You can't get much lower than that. A seller telling people several times to basically F*** off.

    This doesn't even compare and yet all hell broke loose.

    Kind regards,

    Nuno.
     
  7. rob lay

    rob lay Administrator
    Staff Member Admin Miami 2018 Owner Social Subscribed

    Dec 1, 2000
    64,282
    Southlake, TX
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    Rob Lay
    I don't know, I think **** off is better than I'm going to sue you. :)
     
  8. galileo

    galileo Formula Junior

    May 20, 2011
    334
    I agree with big red. It was a petty mistake on the sellers part, he got freaking lynched for it even after he apologize several times! I don't buy the seller, I buy the car...always do your dd.
     
  9. diSCUDsted

    diSCUDsted Formula Junior

    Feb 23, 2010
    997
    ILLinois
    I think the point a select few of you are missing is this; when he originally posted his "personal" car for sale, he was called out pretty quickly. He proceeded to post without acknowledging it was never his "personal" car until he was repeatedly questioned about it.
    Then when he does acknowledge it, he's got an attitude about it... at first.
    Fast forward a few more unruly comments towards him, and only then does he become all "sincere" and apologetic (did some of you actually fall for that).

    After a few more jabs, claims he loves the car so much that he is going to just keep it as his "personal" car once again. So it is no longer for sale. In other words, the car it's off the market.

    The car was never taken off the market. And is now offered on ebay (as well as many other sites) less than 7 days of claiming to keep the car... personally.

    While he did own up to claiming the car as never being his "personal". He never admitted any fault or deception at all to lying about the car no longer being for sale.

    So one or two of you believe a majority of the members here are being to rough on him?
    You actually believe it's the first time he's been dishonest. I mean he flat out lied about crap that wouldn't have made one smidgen of a difference in selling this car. A 6 spd 430 sells itself!

    For this simple reason, along with the verbal conversation I had with him about a year and a half ago; I truly believe he is one of those seedy, shady car salesman that will do or say whatever it takes to take your money and run.
     
  10. flyinglakland

    flyinglakland Karting

    Sep 16, 2010
    193
    my sides! haha
     
  11. gsjohnson

    gsjohnson Formula 3

    Feb 25, 2008
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    GS Johnson
    Disagree...In many cases the sincerity of a seller goes a long way into validating a car...
     
  12. INTMD8

    INTMD8 F1 Veteran
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Jun 10, 2007
    6,815
    Lake Villa IL
    Yes. I bought my car from a forum member in Canada. After a few phone calls and emails done deal and no PPI. The car was exactly as described and overall couldn't be happier with the transaction. There are still some trustworthy people out there :)
     
  13. Testarossa Lover

    Testarossa Lover F1 Rookie
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    Dec 31, 2006
    3,622
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    Haig Barsamian
    Honesty is the best policy...
     
  14. tr512

    tr512 Formula 3

    Apr 12, 2007
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    canada burnaby bc
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    Michael
    James
    Thats why the whole world loves Canadians...lol
     
  15. Col. Kurtz

    Col. Kurtz Formula Junior

    Jun 20, 2013
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    Walter E.
    I believe this thread should now be locked. I do not want to seem duplicitous since I did post on this thread, but since then the seller has posted and explained himself. Whether that explanation is satisfactory is up to the individual, but whether good/bad it’s not going to change anything at this point.

    The thread has achieved its purpose: Namely, rightfully highlighting questionable conduct and helping FChatters who will benefit from this type of warning. I know as a newbie (and even now) anything that helps avoid potential problems is great.

    If anyone ever needs to do their due diligence about this seller they can search FChat and this thread will appear giving them notice of past behavior. Beating this to death or lynching the seller at this stage adds little.

    Just MHO.
     
  16. Ron328

    Ron328 F1 Rookie
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    Mar 10, 2003
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    We should be thankful to this community for watching out for each other. But I agree, we should move on.
     
  17. freshmeat

    freshmeat F1 Veteran

    Aug 30, 2011
    7,289
    i have yet to meet an honest car salesman (who isn't a friend first). probably more rare than an honest politician.
     
  18. dmark1

    dmark1 F1 World Champ
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    Feb 26, 2008
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    Mark
    THis whole thread makes me sick with the sanctimonious bull****. The guy is selling a car and you guys all continue to pile on. I wonder if ALL OF YOUR BUSINESS TRANSACTIONS and I mean EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM was held up to this kind of scrutiny what would come of that? What a bunch of jerks, the lot of you!
     
  19. dmark1

    dmark1 F1 World Champ
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    Feb 26, 2008
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    AGREE COMPLETELY. This is why Ferrari Chat has a horrid reputation on other car forums as being a bunch of whiny poseurs. Not an opinion, a fact and I will be happy to post links.

    Give me a BREAK you sanctimonious JERKS.
     
  20. gsjohnson

    gsjohnson Formula 3

    Feb 25, 2008
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    GS Johnson
    Not sure there is much of a step up in class when calling others derogatory names. You seem to fit right in... :)
     
  21. raider1968

    raider1968 F1 Rookie
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    Mar 13, 2008
    4,966
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    John E
    WOW - a little anger issue
     
  22. wolfturbo

    wolfturbo Formula Junior

    Nov 7, 2005
    580
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    Rob W.
    Mark, you're coming across as a little wishy-washy to me. Can you please clarify how you really feel?!?!? :)
     
  23. nsx2F355

    nsx2F355 Formula Junior

    Mar 12, 2013
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    Tony
    +1 Wolf lmao
     
  24. mseals

    mseals Two Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Sep 9, 2007
    24,468
    Kuwait
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    Mike Seals
    You wanted a break, you got it... two weeks worth.

    And, in the future, don't call me sanctimonious.

    Mike
     
  25. Mbutner

    Mbutner Formula 3

    Aug 11, 2005
    1,689
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    I thought the guy was annoying, and marketed his cars poorly, but I have to agree that this got out of hand, IMO.

    He's a sleezy car dealer, so what? 99% of them are. Isn't that why a PPI is necessary on cars like this?

    What I think is hilarious is the two faced circle jerk over 3 pedal cars - one comes up for sale with 8k miles, appears to be pristine, and instead of the expected fawning over the "unicorn" people LOSE THEIR MINDS b/c the guy fluffed the ownership history. A carfax would clear that up.
     

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