Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

F150 AKA LaFerrari

Luque

 

Exactly - it may be faster around a track, but we don't know - I wasn't implying that it is slower. I find that a second hand account from Anglesey is not a reliable indicator of performance. Remember when the P1 was supposedly doing a lap at the N-ring in under 6:40 according to second hand info?...

 

The rumour from Anglesey is a bit more worthy than the P1 at the ring claims because it came directly from the owner himself who was actually there. A first hand rumour rather than a second hand rumourif you will. Shame we've heard nothing since.

 

7s faster than 997 gt3 gen 1 or 2? Any idea on the tires on the gt3?

 

Looks like a 1.35.00 in run number 1 (at the top of the picture)

https://youtu.be/G4GsVUZ9jS8

https://youtu.be/q8-Q4sD-RRs

Very impressive considering the traffic and that Herbert looked like he was short shifting hugely (at about 7500rpm rather 9000!)

 

More like 11s. And not being driven flat out either!

 

Why 11s?

 

With all due respect I think you are jumping a bit to conclusions.

You obivously say 11 secs because of your previous post were you say that there is a laptime of 1:35 showing in the video pic. But that is not conclusive. It could very well be (and most probably is) 1:39 not 1:35. There is no reason for them not to focus on the best laptime achieved. And they focus on the 1:38.9 which is the best they achieved.

Also, we cannot be sure that he short shifted when he achieved that laptime. The fact that he went out and do more laptimes doesnt mean he was aiming for the best possible performance. For example the video where he has a passenger (and is indeed short shifting), he clearly wasnt going for a quick lap. It was more like a fun lap/favor for a friend. etc.

Now traffic is the only thing that could legitimately be considered in this 1:38.9 they achieved. Track seemed very busy. But I dont believe they set this time by shortshifting or that they achieved a 1:35 but chose to focus on the 1:38.9 laptime. It doesnt make much sense.

Anyways that's just my opinion

The car seems to be amazingly fast in any case.

 

If you look at the picture Luque has posted or the video I have posted, the best time in run number 2 is 1.38.95 which would be 7s quicker than the 997gt3. However above run number 2 is run number 1 with a best time of 1.35.00, which would be 11s quicker.

 

I agree it is not conclusive that it ran 1.35 but it is not not conclusive that it ran 1.38.95 either, the only way it would be conclusive would be if they posted a full lap time video with telemetry etc. I believe I am making a reasonable speculation based on the available evidence,

1) A lap time of 1.35.00 is written down at the top of the page (lap 4)
2) A lap time of 1.38.95 is written down lower down under the heading of run 2.
3) It is therefore reasonable to believe that the same car that did the 1.38.95 also did the 1.35.00 on the earlier run. I don't think it would be reasonable to believe that a different car did the 1.35!
4) Also there's clearly lots of traffic around which would explain the variation in times.

All the numbers could just be made up but I don't agree with your premise that just because 1.38.95 is the number that catches the eye first we should ignore the 1.35.00.

You may well be correct that the short shifting was just for the demo laps and that he was more aggressive during the timed laps. Strange that they would be doing timed laps with so much traffic around though.

 

My point is, are you 100% sure that this is 1:35 written in lap 4 at the top of the page? It could very well be 1:39. It doesnt appear clearly enough to distinguish. In fact based on the way he writes his "9s" and "5s", it most probably is a 9 there , not a 5.

 

Oh I see. Still looks more like a 5 to me but you could well be correct.

It's a shame Ferrari have reduced us to this sort of speculation.

 

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For me is a 9
1:39,00 ....
It has sense with the other two lap times ....

Luque

 

997 GT3 mk2 for sure.
Three years are passed but I'm pretty sure it was track setted, I mean lowered a bit and specific wheel alignment (saw that car in different track days)
It was on standard MPSC+ N spec

Luque

 

Interesting, TBD

S

 

Ferrari LaFire

 

2015 McLaren P1 vs. 2015 Porsche 918 Spyder Comparison - Motor Trend

great track test of a private owners p1 and a factory production 918. seems mt had a private laferrari lined up also but factory said no go and was only a 2 car shoot out. I feel this makes Ferrari look worse than if they showed up and lost. very disappointing but so amazing for the Porsche. both cars got new factory spec rubber and macca sent tech support to get everything just right. Porsche did it on its own. bravo (but to be honest I would take a laf over both of the others despite factories actions)

 

Even lowered to a setting illegal on the road, even with Mclaren Tech support on standby and even with the promise that their car would beat the 918 and Laf on any track in the world except the ring, the P1 still managed to lose to a non weissach packaged Porsche.


Well done Porsche. What a car you made.

 

bad for macca but they did show up to support a privately owned car which is pretty amazing. ferrari wouldnt even allow a private owner to bring their laf to the dance. thats even worse

 

There is an entire thread based on the comparison between the 3 about 6 threads down from this one. Go look in there. The last 4 or 5 pages have been about this test

 

<< 1.12.1 on standard tyres after four laps >>

So we have the Anglesey lap time although unofficial

Half a second faster than P1, fitting both Pzero Corsa.


Luque

 

Source is owner? What are the std tires?

 

Depends on whom you asked.

Normal standard tire is the PZero Corsas. Same ones like on the LaFerrari.

Some certain individuals called the optional Trofeo R as 'standard tires'.