Out the box track street cars

I agree on the Z28. Checked on out myself and the thing that struck me is the overall size of it. It is a big car! That is what I like about my C5Z, its relatively small, long wheel base, very low and doesn't weigh much considering. The only thing worth noting about its characteristics on track is that you have to learn its quirks or you will spin it. For me I had to learn how light the rear is and actually trusting it will stick. Once you got confidence up then you could really do something in that car. Up against a friend in a new C6Z when they came out the only area where he beat me was up top down a straight away. I know those are amazing cars too but looking to add something different and keep my vette.

 

fatbillybob - would love to see more pics and more info.

 

So this was in Evo magazine from Europe. We don't get this magazine here in the states and the write-ups were 100 times better than car and driver or any of those. At the last pages they had this with all the cars they've tested on the track. i tried to make it as big as possible but tat the top is a Raidcal, 3rd is a 458, then a gumpert, McLaren, etc etc
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I bought a SR8 a few years back and have not regretted it one bit. Even among ordinary race cars it is a quantum leap faster. I am confident it will outrun any street car and most non-prototype race cars and they can be had used for well under $100K

 

Best track rat for the money. BMW E46 325i (2005 last year) with coil over suspension and big brake kit. Add some seats and harnesses for safety. Cheap, light, quick enough, provides lots of room to learn on, not a crime if you thrash it, and a heck of a lot of fun for the money spent.

 

Having owned Camaros too, I think anyone spending $60k on a Camaro today is opting for the more powerful ZL1 that has all the creature comforts. To cars of the same make that have two totally different DNA's but priced the same? I also think Camaro buyers are not willing to spend as much on them as the Mustang faithful do. It is impressive what Ford has been doing with that car and where its performance level is at.

 

If they only had more of a race series. PCA, BMWCCA, FCA all have support races. There was a radical cup IIRC but that seemed to fade away also. You'd have to do a FARA or some other place that lets multiple classes in. I'm looking to buy one in the next 24 months but i might go with a GT3 Cup car instead. I can't decide.

 

Very much look forward to giving the radicals a try and have reached out to the company and received good information in return. I love the idea of them just don't know where I could track them with other radicals, thats the tough part. I'm not tracking one with full sized street cars, not worth the risk to me. One day I will figure out the best case scenario, until then I will track the living hell out of my 991 gt3, which I full well know will not compare to the performance of a radical, open wheel or similar. One day...

 

Meh. My turbo Miata will outrun it for way less $. Still the best track car I've ever owned and I'm even putting new Konis on her since the set is probably 10 years old by now. That cost nearly $550 for all 4 corners. And the engine I put in was $750 several years ago.

 

BIG difference between track and race car. My primary race car is SRF. Big, evenly matched fields and most importantly I can afford to wad one up and walk away. Not so much a SR8.

Cup cars are awesome but my limited experience is the tire bill to race is about $1000 per hour. The Michelins degraded in performance after 4 heat cycles. And I also can't stomach wadding one up.

 

I have a 911 with a V12 from a Testarossa, will kick ASS on the track! How about we stick with what Sean asked about, the shark has been jumped enough.. "Out the box track street cars". You go to the dealer, you buy it, you make MINOR track mods and run it.. Brake pads/fluid, better tires, and go.

 

Whaaat? Can we see pix of this monster!? Sounds absolutely amazing.

 

Gary - I hear all of the noise you are hearing too. I know of NO M3 that could whip a 911 or C5Z with somewhat equal drivers, conditions and mods. This thread that started out as a stock car that you can take to the track and run all day has turned absurd. We can take a damn Civic and run all day. What did we prove?

 

Its FerrariChat....Has any thread ever stayed on topic?

 

Back on point.
Gtr is under rated as track car because of supposed computers, weight, overheating. After 4 yrs and 30 track days in 2 stock gtrs i disagree. It is fine.
Computer is extremely subtle in effects and can save you from bad mistake. Never know its even doing anything. Very sophisticated system.
Might be heavy but drives light due to balance and traction. Never feels ponderous no matter how small the track. My other car is lotus elise for comparison
As for over heating well add a trans cooler or just do a few cool down laps when gets to 260 degrees. No big deal.
Change tires once yr along w oil and pads. Thats it for maintenance. Drive it hard but not like its a racing car. Do 1 min lime rock laps then drive home and use it as a daily.
Easily upgraded if want to drive even harder. Brakes, trans cooler, r comp tires and go for it

 

Ain't THAT the truth!

 

So you're going through one set of tires and pads a YEAR and you view that as the car as evidence the car is holding up well for track use? Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you if not, that would hardly be track use. Tires on a car like that if you were actually driving/trcking it wouldn't last more than 2-3 days of 2-3 30 min sessions per day and even that would be stretching it. As for brakes and rotars...

 

daily driver stock gtr with 6000 mi/yr easy street driving. also 8 track days/yr in either adv or instructor groups. usually 4 x 20 min sessions mostly in spring and fall so not really hot weather. i do 2 cool down laps for maybe every 5 hot laps to keep trans temps below 260. no worries about oil or water temps.

with that my yearly track costs come down to $1500 bfg rival tires, $350 oil change, $750 front pads (rear pads and front rotors last 2 yrs). so about $300/track day (along with all the street driving too). i think thats pretty good

 

So you can run 5 minutes at speed (at Limerock), then need to run a couple minutes slow, then another 5, 2 slow.. sounds like a total PITA to me! I would look at adding cooling somehow, and you're not even running when it's hot out.