930 Turbo Carrera

Would you consider the first 400 to be hand built?

Over 100 of them where 76"s?

 

I don't believe Porsche's manufacturing process for the 3-ltr 930 changed dramatically among the model years. They continued to use welded fender flares for a decade and standard full leather interiors through the 1970s. Even the fiberglass 3-ltr tail's fit and finish was superb for all model years and you realize just how good they are when you compare them to the repros that are flooded on the market today.

 

I'm not sure Porsche's manufacturing processes changed very much until they hired a bunch of ex Toyota guys to teach them TPS in the mid 90's when they were switching over to water cooler cars. It is my understanding that all 930 were basically hand built cars. What made the the 75's and the first 146 76's significant is those they were built with the 930/50 motors and that production became the basis (homologation) for the 934.

Phil

 

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I am following this thread since a few days. Seems that here are some very knowledgeable people around. A friend from Austria told me about a 75 Turbo that was in East Germany yet in the 70s and obviously is still with the same owner. He saw it in some TV show. Does anyone know details? Or is it an urban legend? I just can't imagine there was a 930 behind the iron curtain.

 

Yes that is true. I have the story somewhere in my magazines and it will look for it. I think it was a present to the chief engineer of the Trabant factory or something like that.

cal

 

Just found the TV special on the 75 930 in East Germany online - see URL. Too bad I understand only very little German. Anybody here who's perfect?
I also try to enclose a screenshot of the show where the Turbo is shown with a "DDR" (or GDR = East Germany) number plate. Don't really know yet how it works with the attachment.
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Okay, attachment worked but not the URL. Here it is:
DDR-Turbo - VOX.de

 

Great find. Don't understand German but I could certainly understand the universal language of laughter when the 930 comes on boost! Snapped the VIN with some specs.
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Hi gents, I'm German and I'd like to give you a summary of the story (I've never heard of), but I can't get the video working.
I'll try to google some information within the next days.
There were several foreign cars in the GDR, but a Porsche should be unique.


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I just stumbled over a pic on the net - see attachment. Looks like the East German 75 930 was extensively featured in a 2013 issue of a magazine nemd Oldtimer Market. Does anybody know the story? Guess this is getting extremely exciting.
Once I had the opportunity to travel to East Germany which was as impressive as depressive. Who ever was there can confirm that even a 50 hp VW Rabbit (aka Golf) was a super luxury car. But a 930? Now I really want to get the whole story.
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My dad reads the Oldtimer Markt usually - I don't know when I'll visit him next, but I'll
check out if he bought this very magazine.
Do you know which edition no. it was?


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Hello together, below is a summary of the "Oldtimer Markt" April 2013 story with Hartmut Thaßler.

He owns the car since 1977.He is well known in the motorsport community as he is designer and driver of racing motorbikes/-cars. As a driver he won a lot of championships.

His passion for a Porsche started in 1958 at a motor-show, when he saw a 356. At that time he promised himself to get such a car once he has enough money to do so. That was before the separation of eastern Germany by the fence from 1961 to 1989.
In 1967 he mastered as so called "Meister Kfz Schlosser" which translates into master technician for automobile technology. His aim to start-up a body construction company could not be realized in the DDR at that time, so he decided to do so on the black market/ in the underground. His products were body parts for racing-motorbikes. In 1969 he produced parts for the Melkus RS 1000, a sportscar from Dresden.

The money he earned with these activities, he saved for his dream to buy a 911.
Around the year 1973 , when the Carrera RS was out, he tried to get a 911 by contacting Mr Schalck.Golodkowski, the head of the DDR-foreign currency office (Devisenbeschaffungsamt). But Hartmut's requests were completely ignored.

When the 911 turbo was presented in 1974, Hartmut went crazy about this 911 version and made getting this car his main goal. 1974 was also the year that he opened his own official workshop. He developed and manufactured 18 units of the HTS (Hartmut Thaßler Special), a racing car for the Formel Easter (replacement of the Formel 3 in East Germany) and in 1975 he won the championship with his HTS.

In summer 1976 he met a student from Syria, who studied medicine in Leipzig. As a Syrian he was allowed to travel to West-Germany and his uncle, a professor at the same university in Leipzig was also allowed to import western products, such as cars.

I leave out the part where Hartmut was unsure to use that contact to realize his dream due to the fact that it was not really legal and that it was a hell of a lot of money, with no guarantee of not getting frauded.

Anyway, in 1977 he found a used model with 60k km on the clock for a price of 54k Mark offered in the "Auto Motor Sport" magazine. That was a quiet low price as the 911 turbo at that time did not really loose value due to permanent high demand. (new car prices were at 80k Mark already)

He decided to go for this model and started the "process" of import. When he first saw the car on a parking lot in East Germany, still before the importing process, he was a bit disappointed as the car was in poor condition. The painting was scratched and the interior deteriorated.
The main damper of enthusiasm for sure, was that his dream was over now - it was realized.

A few weeks later he received his car (even though still registered on the Syrian student) - and all the disappointment just washed away by moving this hell of a 911.
Well, this is something, most of us, if not all, can for sure understand.

Besides: from 1978 Hartmut got the official license to produce body parts and became supplier of Trabant and Warburg.

Well the story has also some more phantastic aspects, when looking at the first owner of the car, who also was the owner of the original GT40 (Le Mans Ford) and when hearing that the before mentioned syrian is in direct connection with the robbery of 16 mill Mark at the commerzbank in Berlin 1995...etc etc... but these are other stories.

 

Cal – thanks for posting the article.

It would be interesting to locate the 1977 issue of Auto Motor Sport when it was offered for sale.

Here are two additional photos from the online article.
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Terrific info, thanks a lot cal007. Guess that's the wildest and most fascinating car story I ever heard of. See what I just received from a buddy in Austria. I specifically like the headline "The Turbo Capitalist".
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August 2004 Motor Klassik featuring a 1976 Porsche Turbo in a 1970s trio showdown with a BMW M1 and Mercedes 450 SEL 6.9.
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Magnus Walker is at it again!
40 Years Of The Porsche 911 Turbo With Magnus Walker - @FlatSixes - the blog about Porsche

 

Thanks for this, flumpy. Good video. However I doubt the rhd 930 is a MY 75. If it was one many things have changed, f.e. the dash is 77-on.
Same with the East German car that has 76-on mirrors and fender turn signals. Anyway that 930 has a pretty good alibi... I agree that this is the most fascinating story of all I have heard.
There are older posts on page 181 or so about a 75 930 offered in Netherlands. A friend of mine just sent me photos of that car - see attachment. The ad shows a black and mostly original 930 while the photos show a complete hot rod with a 3.3 engine and a 340 kph speedo that gives you no idea about the real mileage. The guy is asking 175,000 Euros. I guess that's tough money if you don't get much more than a 75 chassis number (which the owner keeps as a secret...)
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One for sale in Germany...
Porsche 930 Turbo 3.0 SEHR SELTEN!!! as Sports Car/Coupe in Eschweiler

 

The East German Turbo is a 1975 model year based on the chassis number - 9305700200.

Magnus Walker’s Guards Red RHD 1975 Turbo was listed on CarPoint in June 2013 for $89K. From the ad photos, the original 1975 interior was completely replaced with incorrect period components but from the video, Magnus has already re-installed period-correct sport seats. The ad did not list the chassis number but it has a 1975 model year instrument panel and controls so it appears to be a 1975. You can’t go by the 76+ flag mirrors (or non-speaker 77+ dash pads, front fender markers, etc.) as most 1975 model year Turbos were molested with updated parts. Photos from the June 2013 CarPoint advertisement.
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The August 1976 Sport Auto featured a 935 and a bevy of 934s and BMWs on the cover. On the inside cover there’s an advertisement for Elf oil featuring a six-wheel Tyrrell. During pre-testing at Paul Ricard in 1976, a works 935 had a higher top speed than a six-wheel Tyrrell Grand Prix car that was using the same circuit.

This issue also included an article with a head-to-head test between a 1976 Turbo and 934. The ’76 Turbo was Minerva blue with blue leather interior and tartan-dress inlays.
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I think C&D driver did the same 76 930 Vs 934 comparo- seems amazing to me that collectors have not been able to connect the dots on these two cars until recently.
Phil