I dont see the 650 now that the 570 is around. teh 570 is ebtetr looking, or at elast the same enough. Whats so different about a 650 to have 50% more cost.P erformace differences will be fractional and academic. Maybe the 650 is still the only one ina psyder. Mclaren has taken 1 cf tub and 1 motor and come up with 3 iterations. The P1 is dramatic in the flesh,and the electrics add another pardigm of performance. The 570 is the price range they probably shoudl be in, they dont have the ferrrari cachet yet. The 570 is a premium product to a porche and not quite a ferrari
Same thing that makes people pay a huge premium for a Speciale over a standard 458. Meaningless amount of extra performance for a big premium.
Not that I have either. But to me a speciale is better looking than a 458, and I pretty much track my cars when going all out. A 458 felt boring to drive on street and would be prohinbitive $$ on track, so I would expect a speciale to be much better when leant on and more alive on street, although my tech agrees with you not that different to a 458. Plus given the buyer profile few if any speciale will make it to the track, another ferrari marketing psecial for arun out model, yes a scud is more viceral.. Yep some people will pay more to ahve the "faster" car 650s. But now with the the 570 my guess is thats less peopel in total. The 570 has the looks and its going to take a serious driver to extract betetr performnace from a 650 and even then. The R8 is going to be useable but heavy, the huracan more money and heavy, the porche fatser on paper, but boring, and its a 911. I really think Mclaren is hitting a sweetspot here, just like ferrari did years ago with the 308, a useable viceral fast streetable and trackable car. I am a lotus fan and this car seems like the type of car lotus might have built had they had the development funds and the $$$. To me Mclaren has sememd for a hile an upscale lotus. The Mp12 I have abit of seat time in, the suspesion frankly felt weird to me, not planted unless on fuull hard. the motor lacked smoothness. But I loved the general cockpit layout, the minimalist inetlligence to the inetrior,the fact thta you sat pretty close to the centerline. if this car is more vceral to dirve, has more conventional suspension and a more tactile steering then wow. Lots of good stuff out there. Every now an again I think what new model car I might trade my boxer for, so far nothign has really rung the bell, this car and some $$ might. Lets see what the road testers say.
It's as-if McLaren has a vendetta against it's own resale values. Bought a mp4-12c? Now we're selling a 650S... take that! Bought a 650S? Now we're selling a 570S... take that!
Now that ferrari is turbo, i see no reason to go for 488 over this esp if macca is $100k less. Maybe a used 458 at same price as 570. Huracan/r8 should not be ignored either as they will be the last of the na high rpm motors Btw, i read 540c will be coming here shortly after 570s. If.that comes in at $150, thats nismo $ and notso far away from z06. That should have been the first macca offered. Was too much to go after 458 w original 12c. Start small and build
I tend to agree that I don't really get the positioning of this car versus the rest of their line up. Are they going to drop the 650s? Why would you want both of these in your line up when they to pretty much the same thing, both are really fast cars, and the new car is cheaper, has a better interior, and looks better on the outside? What is it they were getting at? Ferrari made the CA for more of a lower priced GT daily driver car than a 2 seat mid engine and small jump seat. The fact that they all coupes and convertibles means it has a wide appeal. By all measures, the CA has been a sales success. But this car confuses me. It needed to be a 2+2 IMO to make it really different and it needed a powerplant that was fast but not nearly this quick. It also needed a starting price of $150K and loaded at $220. Right now, you can get a well equiped almost new 650s for $220K and Mac 12 spiders will fall into F430 spider ranges. It seems to me they are already planning on pulling the plug on the 650s. If so, this would be the second time McLaren lied to it's core customer base (they said the 650s would not replace the 12c -- and 2 months later they did exactly that).
New model introduction had nothing to do with residuals. 12C values were already in the crapper well before the 650S was introduced. The issue was and is over production and limited dealer network. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Sorry...what I meant (and you are correct to bring this up) is that by the time this car hit's our shores, which will be 2 years from now. I made a mistake in what I wrote. I apologize. Here is a well equipped 2015 650s spider that is listed at 271K. Now, you and I know that it will go for 10 grand less than that. http://www.ritedrive.com/vehicle/2015-mclaren-650s-for-sale-13252/ and another spider at $259K that will go for $249. I'm not that far off. Original MSRP of over 320K. http://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/626746599/overview/ There are currently 84 NEW 650s in dealer showrooms now listed on Cars.com . How many new 458's are there in Ferrari showrooms? Zero. You don't think dealers will be anxious to take a bid lower than MSRP on a 650s now? So, what will someone do? Order a plain jane 570 at $200K or buy an almost new 650s spider (with an MSRP of over $300K) for not that much more?
Mayor, the new vs used argument has existed forever. Hell, people on here are still buying new 458s. I don't think the sale of a 570S warrants and real explanation. As always, people buying $200K exotic cars tend to make very subjective and irrational decisions. They see something they like and they want it, whether it's the best value or not. No one would be buying new cars if it was entirely objective.
Are you kidding us again with satire? You don't think an almost new 650s sitting in a dealer showroom marked down $80,000 from MSRP is not going to effect the choice of someone walking in to buy a 570? Hello. I do think the 570 styling is a lot better in the new car, and this will help. But some people will be definitely driven to a used 650s over it. There is no doubt about it. They made the cars too close together in spec. Who is going to order a new 650s after this car?
Less people will order a 650, and its still also the only way to get a spider. But I think the 570 will be a huge sucess in its own right expoanding the customer base, it hits a sweestpot Mcalren missed before. In any event the 650 has 1 year to live, by then they will come out with somehting truly wow, so does the 650 as new car really matter?. As long as the 570 sells well, the company will be secure, the dealers will do well and they can do the followup to the 650, so to me the 650 is just not so relevant. As to new 570 vs used 650. Lots of peopel just like to buy new stuff, only in ferrari land are suckers forced to buy almost new cars to be on a list. Yes a used 650 will compete with a new 570, but the total buyer base will expand with the 570, that figure is not static, and the performace delta between the two is small enough to be irelevant. Is a yamaha R1 faster than an equivalent kawasaki, the differences once the performance gets high enough are irelevant. if the 570s is really good to drive(in a way the mp12 lacked) as I belive it will be. then Mclaren will be the anti car snobs choice, the consseirs choice. You get away from the brand snobbery and Bs of ferrari, or the clown that is lamborghini, and gett a better car to boot. It has to be bettr because they dont have enough "brand" to just sell cars. i think mclaren understands this. To the extent the 570 is an evolved Mcalren incoropatrign bits of the Mp12 650 and even P1, it may well be very good. in my book, unless i really wanted a spider the 650 is dead.
This scenario makes no sense. Why would someone who didn't want a 12C/650S today suddenly want one 6-12 months from now? A 570S will probably be about $220K in coupe form. A 650S coupe today can be had at $240K as you say. The prices are already very close to each other. If they walked in to get a $220K 570S, it means they don't want a 12C/650S. If they were interested in a 12C/650S, they'd already have one and wouldn't be looking at the 570S in the first place. Most buyers of these cars don't live in an absolute vacuum. Most are already aware of what's out there and what the prices are.
That looks terrific. The flat rear window and the buttresses are nice touches. The interior looks pretty nice too. All the best, Andrew.
I think that monet in time is comming faster than peopel think. 2 genrations old Mclaren, puts it sowhere between a 360 anda 430 in the model sequence timeline.
430 began 2005 or so. 458 began 2010. 12C began 2012. Time wise 12C is between 458 and 488. Performance wise it is near Speciale. Doubtful a nice example will go for $120K any time soon
