308 tool roll

Ok, here's the thing. I went to look at the screwdrivers a bit more closely and while the smallest one has a different colored handle its otherwise identical to the other three. It also has sufficient wear to be original.
Is it possible that (some at least) originally came with different colored screwdrivers?
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Ok, so here it is...looks like it is a flat blade after all. See anything else I am missing?



PDG

 

I have access to an injection mould facility, tool and die shop, and machine shop with extensive press machines. I have old farts like me who have nothing better to do than take on a challenge and drink wine and scotch (while talking about the big one that got away). I would like to take a run at fabricating the carb tool, window winder tool, and the small flat head screwdriver. I just don't feel currently, and maybe I will cry and swear during the process, that making the screwdriver handle (and mixing in the correct colour) would be that difficult, as a mould would be easy enough to make using an existing screwdriver.
Would anyone have any drawings for any of these three items? I can measure, but if there are existing drawings out there somewhere it would make the task that much easier.

 

The screwdriver on the right is a color I haven't seen before; however, I'm going to stick my neck out and say that I think it's more likely than not original, because of the overall shape and slimness of the handle, and because it's long been known that some toolkits came with a hodgepodge of screwdriver handle colors.

 

Thanks. Based on color I've assumed it's not original but it seems that odd that a replacement could be sourced of the right size and model but not color.

Mysterious things these Ferraris.

 

It seems that ferrarichat.com member TonyL in Suffolk, England is doing this already. In case you were not aware of this thread, I just found out about this today, after posting that the reproduction Dino kits on superformance.co.uk are a far better value than the NOT original $15,000 (!) Dino tool kit advertised on eBay:

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/206-246/471520-usag-tools-dino-tool-kit.html

If you're serious about doing this, I suggest you contact Tony. It sounds like this is a more difficult project than most of us might have imagined.

 

I did not know of the other thread. thanks.

 

Nope, to me you are just missing the BIG flat blade, not the small one! (and I owe you a beer)
(I wish somebody could explain to me one day why it is always the flat blades which are missing...)

Rgds

 

Now I just need to find one....




PDG

 

Just out of interest, in the USA is the tool kit a concours item? Its not on the list of checked items in concours at UK FOC events.
When I entered, they didnt check the tool roll at all, which was a pity as I spent a lot of time getting it right!

 

Even if not on the list it can be something of a tie breaker.

 

It's nice to be able to show off your original tools if you have them, but I have also been told by more than one concours judge, both in person and on f-chat, that "reasonably close" tools are acceptable.

I would imagine that, as VISLA says, in the event that two fine specimens of the same model score the same number of points, it may be only then that the judge(s) would want to look at the tool kit, as well as the owner's manuals, jack, spare, etc.

I have personally observed widely divergent levels of thoroughness among concours judges.

Arguably, the time trouble and expense that many of us go to (myself included) to have all-original tool sets just isn't worth it. But it's fun.

 

So in Robert's kit (Post #67), are people certain that it's the three matching screwdrivers that are the correct ones?

The 'odd' screwdriver's handle looks more original to me, but is that because it's more similar to earlier cars? Dino 246 etc?

Can anyone say which of these orange handles is arguably more 'correct' for early 308?

 

Tool kit is a line item on the judging sheet. It is not an option and there are no such thing as tie breaker items. It is pretty specific what deductions are made for missing items.



Widely divergent at what events? The county fairground? Or a real Ferrari concours? The tool and jack kits alone are subject of a great amount of discussion and rule making, it couldn't be further from the truth that they matter so little. What do you think is driving the value of them so high? It sure isn't demand created on Fchat.

 

This is an original and unused tool kit for a Vetroresina 308 that was purchased from Ferrari by Carl Jones decades ago. All screw driver handles are the same colour and the spark plug is included in the kit.
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The oil filter wrench is an interesting item.

I also thought the spark plug was in the jack bag tool roll together with the bulb kit.

Was there any spark plug wrench in this tool kit as well.?

Tony

 

It also looks like this kit has the combo wrench for the spark plug tool which wouldn't be correct for a Vetroresina.

 

I am pretty sure that the tools themselves are not correctly placed in the roll either: The "pocket" at the extreme right really look tailored for a spark plug tool...
Is this the "correct" period roll?

Rgds

 

What you see is what Ferrari supplied.

 

My Vetroresina has been in the family since the day it was delivered new. The toolkit in my car is identical to the one that Carl ordered through spare parts about 25 years ago.

 

100% spot on period correct. You can check the part number on the packet against the spare parts book for a Veroresina.

 

Sorry, but without wanting to seem rude, this is precisely the last thing I would ever do: checking what they sell today as a 328 tool roll under the original part number, and comparing this to an original tool roll would immediately prove my point...
Only comparing this pic to an original tool roll period pic would satisfy me. I have been looking at tool rolls for enough time to stay cautious...
This does not mean that I am questioning the fact that it has been sold as authentic.

Rgds

 

Like noefer says here, tool rolls like anything else Ferrari provides changes due to availability and not always indicated by a supersession. For one thing vendors change constantly and in the case of tools (among other things) more than one vendor can be correct for a particular time frame.

If you are really interested in what was original looking at the current offering is not a great way to do it.

 

You guys obviously didn't read my posts properly. I own a 308 Vetroresina that has never left the family since the day it was purchased in 1978. The tool kit supplied by Ferrari in 1978 with my car is identical in every way to the tool kit supplied through spare parts circa 1990.
I am well aware that Ferrari change suppliers over the years and the part you order may differ from what was originally supplied in period. This however is NOT the case here. I repeat, the tool kits are identical.

I don't have the car at home at the moment; but will post pics of both kits at some point.

 

Take a deep breath, Brian.

"Widely divergent" refers to my own experience at events here in Colorado. I've personally observed judges who say, "That's not the right spark plug wrench for this year," and judges who say, "They have a spark tool; maybe it's correct."

Maybe I've never attended a "real Ferrari concours." With so many different opinions here on Ferrarichat regarding which tools are "correct" for a certain year, make and model, how do you (and how does any judge) know precisely which tools should be included in a particular tool roll?

So, fine: I'll concede the point that perhaps my own personal observations of the local Concours events - as well as differing opinions here on Ferrarichat - may not be the ultimate decision maker regarding what's correct.

The fact remains that both here on F-chat, and among judges with whom I've spoken personally, "reasonable facsimiles" have been said to be "close enough."

If you, personally, have a list of all the tools that should be included in a given tool set, you could do everyone a service by posting that information here.