Ferrari LaFerrari vs Mclaren P1 vs Porsche 918

They pretty much are now, already

 

Surprisingly, there was a ferrari that came out some years before the f1, that also had 3-seater position.

 

Are you some kind of McLaren fanboy knocking Ferrari quality control standards?

 

😳😂

 

Yes, 365P. They made 2 of them.

 

I wonder why Ferrari haven't made any middle seaters after the 365P ?!

If i'd have the money to buy a hypercar like the LaF, I would want it to have a middle seating position.

 

Way too compromised. Getting in and out is painful, overtaking on single lane roads dangerous and if one wants a couple of passengers, the car has to be longer than a conventional 2 seater.

 

I agree - just because F1 and Le Mans cars are single, central seaters, that does not make it a good idea for road cars. A very different driving environment - oncoming traffic, different vehicles at different speeds, turn offs, etc. Frankly, I think a single seat centrally located steering wheel is nothing more than a marketing stunt to differentiate the product.

 

But I wouldn't want to take any passenger. This car would be just 4 me. Hell, if u can afford a one-off worth a couple of millions, u can also buy a 458 or a sedan 4 everyday use.
I will never be able to afford such a car, but I was rich enough like some of you guys here, I would commision Ferrari to make me one or two central seaters.

Anyway, Ferrari could have done this for their special series like the FXX and FXXK. The visibility is miles better and since these cars were designed 4 track use, I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to make them.

BTW, do any of u guys know what kind of lap times is the FXXK achieving on Fiorano ?
I'm sure it must be faster than the FXX (which had a best lap of around 1:16), but is it faster than the F50 GT ???
As far as I know, the F50 GT was pulling laps in the 1:10 - 1:11 range. And that was a "normal" car with 750 HP, the F50 GT1 has 950 HP. Imagine the lap times it could set.

Sorry if I was off-topic.

 

This was an awesome video thanks for sharing.

 

This is something else, this is bonkers ! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VwS954yn4A

Here is the link for the review Ferrari LaFerrari Hypercar TESTED! ? Review ? Car and Driver

 

As predicted superb figures for LaFerrari, Ok now we can comparing 918 Non-Weissach versus LaFerrari both tested by Car And Driver! as I said before a 918 is faster for 0-60MPH , 2.2s for 918 and 2.5 for LaFerrari with rear wheel drive that's insane!
For 1/4 mile 918 and LaFerrari tied for 9.8 but trap speed for LaFerrari is 150MPH versus 145MPH for Non-Weissach 918 (please be assured a 918 with Weissach pak can shave another tenth and probably 9.7s, you can check this in 918 catalog Porsche said Weissach 918 can shave a tenth in 1/4 mile and 1 clear second for 0-300Km/h)
In the rolling 5-to-60-mph test, which removes the aggressive launch, the LaFerrari posted a 3.0-second time VS Porsche 918 2.4-second!!
But 0-150 MPH in LaFerrari is just Spectacular at 9.8s!!
Car and Driver predicted that the 918’s record time at their Lightning Lap competition at VIR might not fall to the LaFerrari, but in their opinion LaFerrari is more fun to drive(Of course opinions varies from person to person)
I think the results in most tracks will be 1.918 2.LaFerrari 3.P1
Also full figures for 918 non-weissach tested by Car & Driver
http://www.caranddriver.com/features/the-2015-porsche-918-spyder-is-the-quickest-road-car-in-the-world-feature-performance-data-and-complete-specs-page-2

 

An unbelievable thing about 918 is about its record for Rolling Start, 5–60(which removes the aggressive launch) MPH 2.4/– sec is faster than 0-60MPH in both LaFerrari and P1, this would be even more interesting when you know a 2015 991 Turbo S recently tested by Car and Driver achieved 0-60MPH for 2.5s but Rolling Start, 5–60MPH for 3.4s, the difference 0.7s for turbo s, LaFerrari 0-60MPH is 2.5s but Rolling Start, 5–60MPH is 3.0s so that the difference is 0.5s but But in 918 0-60MPH 2.2s and Rolling Start, 5–60MPH 2.4s!! with a spectacular difference of only 0.2s!!
For LaFerrari the spectacular record is for 0-150MPH in 9.8s!! this is why Ferrari claimed a 0-300Km/h in 15s

 

No offense but that guy cannot drive.

For automotive journalist I would expect he learn where braking points are.

 

Well, at Anglesey the LaFerrari was easily the fastest of the three.

 

It's pretty obvious that the Porsche with 4 wheel drive will get away from the line quickest. The more interesting time for these cars is 100 to 300 Kmh. The LF and P1 are both quicker.

By the way one further reason why the Porsche is so good on the track that no one here really seems to acknowledge is the rear wheel steering. This makes the 4 wheel drive which usually is prone to understeer turn into and out of corners much better. That's also the main reason why the 991 GT3 are so much quicker than the 997 GT3 on the Nurburgring. It makes a significant contribution to the cornering speed.

Maybe one of the engineers on the forum can explain why it is such a benefit?

Personally I was very sceptical towards the 918. Also because Porsche did zero to support the CGT owners with tire updates and track day events. It took years of complaining to the factory. Actually the first CGT track day was organized on the Nurburgring GP track by Olaf Manthey Racing together with Porsche Zentrum Koblenz with Marc Lieb as instructor. Was a super event. After further complaint Porsche finally started doing CGT events. Really strange as the owners of these cars usually have many more and spend big bucks.

Only when Porsche started trying to sell the 918 they suddenly realized that there are CGT owners out there. The original CGT Michelins were terrible. It seemed Porsche main interest was to point out how it's new cars such as the 997 GT2 RS were quicker on the ring. This was solely due to the tires. The new Michelins finally available now are much better, but again you can't get the PS 2 for the car. Strange as the CGT despite the lack of race history is a masterpiece in engineering. With proper rubber it will be close to the new HyperCars on track despite the power shortfall

I hope that they learnt a lesson and keep developing new tires for the 918 as tire technology evolves. The 918 I must confess has turned out to be a much better car than I expected. (Believe there are many on this forum who are surprised at its track performance). So full marks to Porsche for over delivering, but remember to develop the car further over time!

 

First of all the 918 test at Anglesey was a joke with the open top, people at Porsche confirmed this year for a real 918 Lap time at Anglesey!! second please only counting the official lap times and for a better comparing a same day same driver test is the best but unfortunately Ferrari refused from this at Laguna Seca, so that please til a real test outside Maranello do not made any claim about LaFerrari is faster than 918 at circuits, remember you are talking about Nurburgring Record Holder! the Porsche 918!

Til now 918 made several lap time records around the world the last one was recently at Phillip Island, hope you will see some day Ferrari can made such a car, for me as a diehard Porsche fan 918 make me so happy because of the so many records around the world!
All three so great hyper cars, but the most reliable is Porsche then Ferrari and in last place P1

 

Thanks, but I must admit you some important things! One of very important Porsche's targets for the 918 at weissach was about the fastest hyper car at the Nurburgring, so that Porsche was not go for the fastest car at drag races for up to 300Km/h, but Porsche 918 from 0-180Mph is as fast or even faster than P1 (918 non weissach 17.5s for 180mph, I can not find such a fast record for P1, for P1 the fastest you can find for 0-180Mph is around 18s, Also the 918 especially with weissach pak is a bit faster than LaFerrari till 1/4mile (a weissach 918 is about one tenth of a second faster than LaFerrari) but LaFerrari is faster than 918 from 150MPH and UP, but as I said Porsche targets was not about drag races above 300Km/h with a hyper car like Veyron Super Sport there is no any chances for these 3 hyper cars for the fastest drag racer in the world "title"

 

I have been thinking the Same but tend to prodict that prices for the Veyron will come up. Why?
I know about many car collectors who own a Veyron just because its the last pure fuel burn Engine masterpiece without any Electric Engines on board. Even the New Veyron successor will not have an effect on the fact that the Veyron closed the era of the pure fuel Engine as King. I am sure the prices will come up thats what i at least think. Further bugatti as part of the vw Group will gurantee to get spare Parts for the next 30 years.

I might be wrong but the Veyron owners i know who collect Cars own a veyron because it defines a complete era and i am sure you will find many petrolheads in the Future who want true fuel Burner instead of hybrid engines

 

Anyone Knows if r&t an CD tested LaFe with passenger or driver only?

 

Thanks for keeping up the good fight, and mentioning the little discussed Road and Track test, and the forgotten 918 Anglsey test scenarios of it (roof of, one set of cold tires, etc.) BTW.

I think the higher speed acceleration speculation/criticism of the 918 is overdone by some internet keyboard warriors as you pointed out.

Once you're above 165 mph, the inertia to move the vehicle is much less as it's already flying. Thus, 127 hp power loss is not as severe as some may want it to be (as many test, and the ones you're quoting indicate).

Sure, it could/would post faster high speed acceleration if Porsche chose to add the second speed gearing to the front motor (Porsche claimed the 8 1/2 lb weight savings would be better than track time improvement-considering most tracks don't allow drivers to go plus 200 mph for long, if at all), but they did not. I for one, would have welcomed if they did add it. But it was their choice not to (in typical Porsche fashion in their attempt to build a balanced vehicle).

 

Indeed. The 918 was never meant as a 'point & shoot' vehicle, it is a far more complete package!...

 

There appears to be two Veyron collector viewpoints:

What you just said above, and the fact it's a beautifully constructed world fastest production car currently/at one time.

The other viewpoint, appears to be of a fat, bloated pig, which can't perform as well on the track and is very costly to maintain.

We'll see how time, collectors/the market ultimately make this decision.

 

Thanks for your comments.

The irony with Porsche's 4WS you mentioned: The P1 has active braking as the Rear Wing assist with it's braking. Despite this apparent advantage, the P1 still can't out brake the 918 in any test, including H2H's. The P1 is supposed to have active aero as well, however it doesn't out handle the 918. So though I'm sure RWS helps the 918 steer better (as with the 991 GT3), I'm not sure it's a lone Magic Bullet. I just feel it's the overall package of the 918, including it's extremely low center of gravity, 4WD, and tremendous torque which contribute to all this. So Kudos to Porsche on that one.

In addition: Everyone remembers the Motor Trend, and Autocar test by Sutcliffe (cough cough) with the Ducati Motorbike. But there have been test where the 918 outraced the P1 up to 180 mph as Hootan mentioned above. I think the first TG test, the 918 out accelerated the P1 up the given speed they tested at that day. And the 918 has been very consistent on it's speed runs, where we've seen very slow ones by the P1 (first Autocar test), along with faster ones, such as MT. But unfortunbately, the P1 has done a scant amount. To my knowledge, The P1 has actually had very few if any proper test and high speed runs by non British magazines?
Note: The oft quoted Motor Trend acceleration test, wasn't even a proper MT test run, which they never ended up doing. But due to the fact the P1's had so few outside of England, and it's Motor Trend, it's oft quoted by many of it's fans.

So the P1 doesn't necessarily hold an outright high speed advantage over the 918 based off the testing (with maybe the exception being at the highest speeds), and even that may not be clear. One thing is clear, the P1 may feel faster to many due to it's dramatic acceleration.

So agreed, the 918 (especially with it's creature comforts, luxury and ECO benefits) is a stunning achievement.

Note: The LaFe should high speed test more consistently than P1 as well.

Yes, let's hope Porsche continues to support the CGT, and 918 owners (as they should since they become VIP members, instantly at the front of the line for any limited edition Porsche the next 10 years) with updates and new additions. So far they seem to be doing a good job keeping their owners in the loop.

 

Many thanks CarMaven!!
As always with your fair statements! And yes when I was at Weissach they told us about the up and down of adding the second speed gearing to the front motor but as you said the overall package of the 918 is today car!! a gorgeous hyper car for the 21st century!!